# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/461 "2019-10-15T05:55:33Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I’d like to hear his answer. He has given his answer over and over again. You need to accept that he means what he said, and that he is what he is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/462 "2019-10-15T06:07:36Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I find the _“They enjoy it because it gives them a feeling of power, which compensates for the impotence they feel in response to a world that has changed without their input and permission.”_ part particularly appalling, it’s like someone complaining that the serfs got uppity, it positively oozes elitism. “Elitism” as a pejorative is really funny. “And Mozes lead the elite through the desert…” ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/463 "2019-10-15T07:21:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > There’s going to be a fight. What do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/464 "2019-10-15T07:28:21Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > No, you misunderstand me. I’m not wishing for a fight. I wish it hadn’t come to this. I wish that the other side respected the norms of civility, the norms of democracy, the value of equality and justice. I didn’t want it to come to this. > > But what I see is that the conservatives have no interest at all in these values, these human values. Their values are inequality and injustice, and beyond that, they are perfectly willing to remove democratic mechanisms to ensure that popular response and sentiment is disadvantaged. They use the language of violence, the mechanisms of force. > > What is the natural reaction or response, then? You’re not gonna fight a fuckin thing. You’re quite the extremist, and I’d wager if you went into most any gun shop and tried to buy a gun saying the same shit you are now they would refuse to sell to you and would probably report you to the FBI/ATF. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/465 "2019-10-15T07:47:17Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That’s your sole metric? You don’t care about any of the horrible things he’s done to the country, our allies, or just people in general? > > So, you’re happy with unconstitutional actions, with targeting people based on prejudice and lies, with unchecked corruption and nepotism, to name just a few. How swell. I consider allowing the left to gain unchecked power to be more dangerous than anything imaginable, including Trump saying mean things that hurt your feelings. You fools are absolutely screaming your way off the lefty chart at lightning speed it’s downright dangerous. We already have one lefty poster drooling over civil war (which of course means he will do fuck all himself, praying the government does it all so he can keep posting trash on a dying forum). ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/466 "2019-10-15T08:06:44Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I consider allowing the left to gain unchecked power to be more dangerous than anything imaginable I’m with you. Take your eye off them for one minute, and they’re liable to pass medicare for all, or free college tuition, or something horrible like that. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/467 "2019-10-15T11:06:56Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I consider allowing the left to gain unchecked power to be more dangerous than anything imaginable, including Trump saying mean things that hurt your feelings. > > You fools are absolutely screaming your way off the lefty chart at lightning speed it’s downright dangerous. > > We already have one lefty poster drooling over civil war (which of course means he will do fuck all himself, praying the government does it all so he can keep posting trash on a dying forum). No, you moron. It’s not “hurt feelings”. Your hero’s actions have actually gotten people killed. His words have gotten people beaten up. His own heroes are actual murderers, both dictators and war criminals. His supporters are the ones warning about “civil war” as a consequence of legitimate congressional oversight. And they’re not doing that on some message board. Silly of people to expect the president to not only know what the constitution says, but to follow it. And I’m not a “lefty”, you idiot. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > I’m with you. Take your eye off them for one minute, and they’re liable to pass medicare for all, or free college tuition, or something horrible like that. Or require the chief executive to follow that pesky ol’ constitution. Can’t have that, you know. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/468 "2019-10-15T13:01:42Z")
I suggest that Annoyed change the tense of his username from simple past to present continuous. Jesus, about the last thing I’m worried about DJT doing is hurting my feelings. I’m worried about the Kurds who we have abandoned now forced to side with Russia and Syria. I’m worried about the genocide taking place because DJT can’t get Putin’s dick out of his mouth. I’m worried about Russian troops occupying former US bases in Syria. So many things are more important than my feelings- his gutting of environmental regulations, his packing the courts with right wing crackpots, his weakening of NATO and his adoration of despots, all on top of his being a confessed sexual predator and confessed obstruction of justice. If you think all I’m worried about are my feelings, you’re an even dumber fuck than I thought you were. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/469 "2019-10-15T13:25:26Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > you’re an even dumber fuck than I thought you were. Careful, you wouldn’t want to say something that would hurt his feelings. He’s already explained that it is his butt-hurt that causes him to support trump. If his feelings get any more hurt, he’ll have to start fellating the Orange Gibbon himself, all the while demanding that you watch what you made him do. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/470 "2019-10-15T13:30:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Careful, you wouldn’t want to say something that would hurt his feelings. He’s already explained that it is his butt-hurt that causes him to support trump. If his feelings get any more hurt, he’ll have to start fellating the Orange Gibbon himself, all the while demanding that you watch what you made him do. That might require the economy size bottle of brain bleach. Funny how the right wingers think we’re a bunch of snowflakes but they seem to be the ones with the fragile feelings. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/471 "2019-10-15T14:29:33Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I suggest that Annoyed change the tense of his username from simple past to present continuous. I suggested **Annoyed Grunt** awhile back. Given the double meaning there, it would be perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/472 "2019-10-15T16:03:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Your hero’s actions have actually gotten people killed. His words have gotten people beaten up. His own heroes are actual murderers, both dictators and war criminals. His supporters are the ones warning about “civil war” as a consequence of legitimate congressional oversight. And they’re not doing that on some message board. Beautiful. Correction though, pretty sure it was Trump himself suggested the civil war. > **[Why Trump, Facing Impeachment, Warns of Civil War](https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-trump-facing-impeachment-warns-of-civil-war)** > > The President made a breathtakingly irresponsible and foolish comment that could reasonably provoke violence among his most devout followers. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/473 "2019-10-15T16:27:50Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I consider allowing the left to gain unchecked power to be more dangerous than anything imaginable, including Trump saying mean things that hurt your feelings. UNCHECKED power is dangerous no matter whose hands it’s in. Right, left, neither; unchecked power leads to tyranny. You don’t even really understand what you’re saying or you’d have left off the “left” part of that. In the United States right now, it’s the left trying to check power, and the right who want unchecked power. That is the current reality, and that tells you where the danger really lies. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/474 "2019-10-15T17:09:14Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I consider allowing the left to gain unchecked power to be more dangerous than anything imaginable “The left” is a categorization for people who need to be prejudiced against something and grab onto broad, simple-minded generalizations to do it. “The left” doesn’t describe a real group of people. I’d wager you couldn’t describe a real Democratic policy proposal and the actual reasoning behind it even if I held a gun to your head. You aren’t reacting to anything in the real world, only the propaganda you have swallowed like the sucker you are. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/475 "2019-10-15T17:19:12Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Is that condescension the worst thing in this scenario? Hell no. The naked exploitation of peoples fears and prejudices is an unbelievably transparent con. > > “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” > > — a quote from the sixties: It is appalling this still works. The rhetoric got a bit cruder to appeal to even stupider folks. > > Forgive me if I seem condescending to people who STILL fall for that shit. > Racist idiots don’t seem to mind to be the sucker time after time as long they don’t get called out for being deplorable racists. – the GOP is a special kind of safe space, where you willingly go to be ass-raped as long nobody triggers your fear to be less than your darker neighbor. There’s a similar analogy, which I can’t find a link to at the moment, that goes something like this: There are people who would gladly live in a cardboard box under a bridge eating pigeons cooked on a curtain rod spit as long as the black/brown/gay person living in the box next to them didn’t have a curtain rod for cooking birds. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/476 "2019-10-15T17:24:57Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > There’s a similar analogy, which I can’t find a link to at the moment, that goes something like this: There are people who would gladly live in a cardboard box under a bridge eating pigeons cooked on a curtain rod spit as long as the black/brown/gay person living in the box next to them didn’t have a curtain rod for cooking birds. You’re being kind. They wouldn’t want the black/brown/gay person living under the same bridge, let alone next to them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/477 "2019-10-15T17:50:37Z")
I think Sam Donaldson said it best. > **[‘They’re not the country’: Sam Donaldson rips Trump supporters’ dream of...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/?p=1722522)** > > Sam Donaldson claimed that President Trump's supporters have a "fixation" on fighting diversity and making sure the country stays white and Christian. "I mean, 'lock her up,' I mean, all the things he says, all the vicious, mean things he says, they... > [@](#): > > “They have this fixation. They want to return this country to the white Christian country that they believe it should be again,” he continued. “They don’t want the diversity, and they follow him for this, but they’re not the country. We are a diverse people. We are good and strong because of that, and we’re going to come back to that, I assure you.” Sorry, Trump tarts, it ain’t yer country. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/478 "2019-10-15T18:10:56Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’re being kind. They wouldn’t want the black/brown/gay person living under the same bridge, let alone next to them. Another story I heard somewhere (an article or movie or TV show, maybe) was a white guy who was visiting the rural south and noticed two pretty much identical farms, on opposite sides of a country road, that had a difference in value although they produced roughly identical outputs. The man asked one of the farmers, a black man, why his farm was worth more than the white farmer’s across the road. The black guy replied: “I don’t have a n\*\*\*\*\* living across from my farm.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/479 "2019-10-15T18:18:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I suggest that Annoyed change the tense of his username from simple past to present continuous. I thought I was the first to suggest that POS change his username to _annoying_. Oh, well, GMTA. > [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > Beautiful. Correction though, pretty sure it was Trump himself suggested the civil war. > > [Why Trump, Facing Impeachment, Warns of Civil War | The New Yorker](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-trump-facing-impeachment-warns-of-civil-war/amp) Thanks! > [@asahi](#): > > I think Sam Donaldson said it best. > > [‘They’re not the country’: Sam Donaldson rips Trump supporters’ dream of ‘white Christian country’ - Washington Examiner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/theyre-not-the-country-sam-donaldson-rips-trump-supporters-dream-of-white-christian-country) Excellent quote! > [@](#): > > Sorry, Trump tarts, it ain’t yer country. The thing they don’t get is that not only is it their country, it’s also the country of people who are: [ul][li]Brown[/li][li]Black[/li][li]Asian[/li][li]Pacific Islander[/li][li]Jewish[/li][li]Hindu[/li][li]Muslim[/li][li]Sikh[/li][li]Buddhist[/li][li]Atheist[/li][li]Native American[/li][li]Immigrants[/li][li]and a whole host of other classifications.[/ul][/li] You see, it’s not government assistance the trumpeters dislike. It’s _sharing_ that assistance with any of the above-listed groups. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/480 "2019-10-15T18:27:04Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Another story I heard somewhere (an article or movie or TV show, maybe) was a white guy who was visiting the rural south and noticed two pretty much identical farms, on opposite sides of a country road, that had a difference in value although they produced roughly identical outputs. The man asked one of the farmers, a black man, why his farm was worth more than the white farmer’s across the road. The black guy replied: “I don’t have a n\*\*\*\*\* living across from my farm.” IIRC, that was in the movie _Mississippi Burning_. The Black farmer said that to the FBI agent while the farmer was driving the agent somewhere. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=25)