# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/501 "2019-10-16T04:43:36Z")
Apparently I’ve got to start off saying I’m not a Trump supporter or it is assumed from posting in this thread. And I’ll try to not disagree with the OP because disagreement is threadshitting. But stop giving in to the temptation to imagine ‘Trump voters’ as being motivated by your worst imaginings. Wrong assumptions will lead to wrong conclusions and wrong actions. Oh, wait, this is the Pit. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I haven’t heard anyone on the left advocate for allowing illegal (or undocumented) immigrants to vote. Because they simply [do it](https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/10/23/san-francisco-noncitizens-vote-school-board/). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/502 "2019-10-16T04:47:23Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I have no idea what is going on but it sure as hell looked to me like a moderator posted that, and I believe it was “Miller” or something. > > Ive been posting from iPhone for weeks now, finally able to post from my mac today. > > Dunno what’s going on but im sure your bitch ass can make a thread about it and be wrong again. What the fuck are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/503 "2019-10-16T04:53:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What the fuck are you on about? You think I would have posted that if it was to you? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/504 "2019-10-16T05:22:27Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What the fuck are you on about? He’s a self-centered asshole troll, who is too stupid to realize that when he fucks up, he should just shut up. Instead, he thinks if he rolls in his own shit, he might distract us from his fuckups. That’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/505 "2019-10-16T05:34:58Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > I’m sure you know what conservative position is. The question is whether _you_ do. > [@Annoyed](#): > > Hardcore left states refuse voter ID laws and refuse any kind of commission on voter fraud. They outright refuse any audit whatsoever. I don’t think that’s true but if you’re right, I am with you and against voter fraud. Sorry if I seem to be policing your language if I say I think phrases like “hardcore left” are kind of meaningless. I just think the emphasis on left v right crowds out even basic analysis too often for my tastes. > [@](#): > > They are also sanctuary states. Some people call that, “We know they’re from another country, but they work here, live here and we like them fine.” What are we supposed to do, herd them all onto trains and drop them off in Mexico City? > [@](#): > > They are also the same states that use the overall population count (including illegal aliens) for their congressional representation. Red states are allowed to adopt that strategy themselves. The Constitution says to count “illegal aliens”. If the founders had meant “citizens” they would not have said “persons”: > [@](#): > > Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/506 "2019-10-16T09:58:43Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Speech. Rifles/guns. Religion. Illegal Immigration. Taxes. Im not gonna type a wall of text substantiating these as they are basic conservative tenants and you’re a moderator, I’m sure you know what conservative position is. Don’t see a lot of conservatives these days. Lotsa reactionaries, but most of you are more radical than conservative. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/507 "2019-10-16T12:09:00Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > I find the _“They enjoy it because it gives them a feeling of power, which compensates for the impotence they feel in response to a world that has changed without their input and permission.”_ part particularly appalling, it’s like someone complaining that the serfs got uppity, it positively oozes elitism. Yeah, because lazy, mediocre bigoted, Qanon-believing Fox News-watching Birther, white people who think they deserve everything they ever wanted for free are SO oppressed. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/508 "2019-10-16T13:15:35Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Speech. Rifles/guns. Religion. Illegal Immigration. Taxes. Im not gonna type a wall of text substantiating these as they are basic conservative tenants and you’re a moderator, I’m sure you know what conservative position is. Well, you’ve convinced me. Those are certainly words, referring to things. And, apparently, “tenants” of your head. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/509 "2019-10-16T13:23:52Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Apparently I’ve got to start off saying I’m not a Trump supporter or it is assumed from posting in this thread. And I’ll try to not disagree with the OP because disagreement is threadshitting. > > But stop giving in to the temptation to imagine ‘Trump voters’ as being motivated by your worst imaginings. Wrong assumptions will lead to wrong conclusions and wrong actions. > > Oh, wait, this is the Pit. > > Because they simply [do it](https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/10/23/san-francisco-noncitizens-vote-school-board/). i.e according to the article, dating to October last year, a total of 35 non-citizens had registered to vote in a local school board election, the only one in which they were permitted to participate. It was not clear from the article how many, if any, of the non-citizens were here illegally. Feel free to dial in an appropriate level of required outrage, from 0 to 5. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/510 "2019-10-16T13:53:57Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Because they simply [do it](https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/10/23/san-francisco-noncitizens-vote-school-board/). Those aren’t federal or state elections, just for school boards. It makes sense to me that the undocumented parents with citizen children have plenty of stake in the school system and should have a say in how the school is run. > [@](#): > > Speech. Rifles/guns. Religion. Illegal Immigration. Taxes. Im not gonna type a wall of text substantiating these as they are basic conservative tenants These are convenient covers for racism, xenophobia, and bigotry. Conservatives want free speech to condemn the “other”, weapons to terrorize them, the right to practice Christianity but no other religion, keeping the brown people out because they hate anyone who doesn’t look like them, and low taxes so we can’t afford to provide a safety net for those whom conservatives feel morally superior to. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/511 "2019-10-16T18:00:58Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > Apparently I’ve got to start off saying I’m not a Trump supporter or it is assumed from posting in this thread. And I’ll try to not disagree with the OP because disagreement is threadshitting. > > But stop giving in to the temptation to imagine ‘Trump voters’ as being motivated by your worst imaginings. Wrong assumptions will lead to wrong conclusions and wrong actions. > > Oh, wait, this is the Pit. > > Because they simply [do it](https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/10/23/san-francisco-noncitizens-vote-school-board/). THE SCHOOL BOARD?? Really? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/512 "2019-10-16T19:01:46Z")
> [@margin](#): > > THE SCHOOL BOARD?? Really? Scoff if you must. But this is exactly how you end up with Spanish and various other non-American languages being spoken openly, in America. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/513 "2019-10-16T19:05:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Scoff if you must. But this is exactly how you end up with Spanish and various other non-American languages being spoken openly, in America. Next thing you know, they are going to start teaching Arabic Numerals. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/514 "2019-10-16T19:16:57Z")
> [@margin](#): > > THE SCHOOL BOARD?? Really? He forgot _mic drop_ at the end of that bombshell. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/515 "2019-10-16T20:11:20Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Next thing you know, they are going to start teaching Arabic Numerals. Even worse, that terrorist math al-Gebra. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/516 "2019-10-16T20:11:33Z")
Class dismissed! Just kidding, there was never any class involved. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/517 "2019-10-16T20:15:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How is “the left” campaigning to “take power away from the citizens”? Give specifics, with substantiation. > > > [@Annoyed](#): > > > > Speech. Rifles/guns. Religion. Illegal Immigration. Taxes. Im not gonna type a wall of text substantiating these as they are basic conservative tenants and **you’re a moderator** , I’m sure you know what conservative position is. No, he’s not. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/518 "2019-10-16T20:52:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Those aren’t federal or state elections, just for school boards. It makes sense to me that the undocumented parents with citizen children have plenty of stake in the school system and should have a say in how the school is run. > > These are convenient covers for racism, xenophobia, and bigotry. Conservatives want free speech to condemn the “other”, weapons to terrorize them, the right to practice Christianity but no other religion, keeping the brown people out because they hate anyone who doesn’t look like them, and low taxes so we can’t afford to provide a safety net for those whom conservatives feel morally superior to. That’s pretty nutty. I suppose China would be a nice space? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/519 "2019-10-16T21:09:19Z")
I really can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not, given the sheer fuckedupedness of the Trumpers with whom I’ve had the misfortune of conversing. Or attempting to. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/520 "2019-10-16T21:12:58Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I really can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not, given the sheer fuckedupedness of the Trumpers with whom I’ve had the misfortune of conversing. Or attempting to. It’s just mouth-hole-noises. It’s pretty much all they have at this point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=27)