# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/521 "2019-10-16T23:54:14Z")
\>Feel free to dial in an appropriate level of required outrage, from 0 to 5. \>Those aren’t federal or state elections, just for school boards. It makes sense to me that the undocumented parents with citizen children have plenty of stake in the school system and should have a say in how the school is run. \>THE SCHOOL BOARD?? Really? \>Next thing you know, they are going to start teaching Arabic Numerals. \>Even worse, that terrorist math al-Gebra. \>etc. Har, har. School board in San Francisco (and [Chicago](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/college-park-decides-to-allow-noncitizens-to-vote-in-local-elections/2017/09/13/2b7adb4a-987b-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html)), and the children don’t have to be citizens to go to school (what, you think San Franciscans are barbarians?), and the ten Maryland cities are “local elections”, not just school board elections. also [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/522 "2019-10-17T01:00:08Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > i.e according to the article, dating to October last year, a total of 35 non-citizens had registered to vote in a local school board election, the only one in which they were permitted to participate. It was not clear from the article how many, if any, of the non-citizens were here illegally. Feel free to dial in an appropriate level of required outrage, from 0 to 5. On a scale of, oh, let’s say 10,000. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/523 "2019-10-17T01:40:12Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > i.e according to the article, dating to October last year, a total of 35 non-citizens had registered to vote in a local school board election, the only one in which they were permitted to participate. It was not clear from the article how many, if any, of the non-citizens were here illegally. Feel free to dial in an appropriate level of required outrage, from 0 to 5. There’s gonna be even more outrage when it’s revealed that there were actually 56 non-citizens registered to vote on Election Day. [Noncitizens Allowed to Vote in S.F. School Board Election, But Few Will](https://www.kqed.org/news/11680868/voter-registration-for-non-citizens-begins-in-s-f-school-board-election) Also, I’m guessing that zero of these 56 people were here illegally. The article also states that > [@](#): > > …the city cannot guarantee privacy in this case. Voter registration information is public. I would think that no illegal immigrant would want to put her/his name on a public record. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/524 "2019-10-17T01:47:37Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Also, I’m guessing that zero of these 56 people were here illegally. […] > I would think that no illegal immigrant would want to put her/his name on a public record. But… but then how does the secret Democratic strategy of getting more votes by allowing all the illegal immigrants in even work ?! Stoopid librulz ! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/525 "2019-10-17T05:59:16Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Hardcore left states refuse voter ID laws and refuse any kind of commission on voter fraud. Because the purpose of voter ID in the US is to suppress the votes of non-whites and Democrats, something the Republicans themselves have admitted. The Republicans lose interest in voter ID the instant a version that\* isn’t\* racist and partisan is proposed. And voter fraud is a fantasy of the Right. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/526 "2019-10-17T15:15:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because the purpose of voter ID in the US is to suppress the votes of non-whites and Democrats, something the Republicans themselves have admitted. The Republicans lose interest in voter ID the instant a version that\* isn’t\* racist and partisan is proposed. > > And voter fraud is a fantasy of the Right. Come on now. Sometimes there are real examples of voter fraud. [Like illegally filling in absentee ballots](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-north-carolina/north-carolina-republican-operative-charged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2FS?il=0) [Or voting twice for president](https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-in-voter-fraud-case) Republicans are pretty sure that voter fraud exists. Because they do it. ETA: Of course, voter ID would do nothing to fix the above… But they don’t give a shit about fixing Republican voter fraud. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2019, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/527 "2019-10-19T12:16:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > … Sometimes there are real examples of voter fraud. > > [Like illegally filling in absentee ballots](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-north-carolina/north-carolina-republican-operative-charged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2FS?il=0) > > [Or voting twice for president](https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-in-voter-fraud-case) > > Republicans are pretty sure that voter fraud exists. Because they do it. > > ETA: Of course, voter ID would do nothing to fix the above… But they don’t give a shit about fixing Republican voter fraud. You missed one of the funniest examples of GOPsters who obsess about voter fraud, then willfully commit voter fraud themselves: > [@I Pit the ID-demanding GOP vote-suppressors](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-id-demanding-gop-vote-suppressors/624943/11051): > > [This story](https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-steve-curtis-voter-fraud-20170322-story.html) is old news but is too delicious not to repost. > > Briefly, it involves former Colorado Republican Party chairman Steve Curtis who’s a staunch opponent of voter fraud and said “every case of voter fraud I can remember in my lifetime was committed by Democrats.” Recently felony charges were brought in Colorado against a voting fraudster(\*) — read the article to see if the fraudster was a Democrat, as Curtis predicted. (No, like most voter fraud it wouldn’t have been prevented with ID. Are you having trouble following the discussion?) > > - > - > > Yes, you guess it! — the felonious voting fraudster was … Steve Curtis himself. ] ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/528 "2019-10-20T18:10:55Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > …But stop giving in to the temptation to imagine ‘Trump voters’ as being motivated by your worst imaginings. Wrong assumptions will lead to … With all the shit Trump has pulled, why the fuck not??? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/529 "2019-10-20T20:16:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > With all the shit Trump has pulled, why the fuck not??? Because they are right wing, and we are always supposed to pretend that right wingers are well meaning, rational, compassionate people no matter how blatantly they are otherwise. If a right winger walks up and stabs us, we are supposed to apologize for getting blood on his knife. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/530 "2019-10-21T17:25:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because they are right wing, and we are always supposed to pretend that right wingers are well meaning, rational, compassionate people no matter how blatantly they are otherwise. If a right winger walks up and stabs us, we are supposed to apologize for getting blood on his knife. Oh yeah, cuz feelings. Fuck their feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/531 "2019-10-21T17:31:46Z")
[Trump just said that there is no “Emoluments Clause” in the Constitution.](https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1186320600454832129?s=20) You still support Trump? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/532 "2019-10-21T17:35:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Trump just said that there is no “Emoluments Clause” in the Constitution.](https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1186320600454832129?s=20) > You still support Trump? Of course they do. They don’t give a fuck about the Constitution, except for the “right to bear arms” part. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/533 "2019-10-21T18:02:22Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Trump just said that there is no “Emoluments Clause” in the Constitution.](https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1186320600454832129?s=20) > You still support Trump? Right, because he says the Constitution is “fake news,” and they believe him. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/534 "2019-10-21T18:03:56Z")
As I mentioned before, as a group, Conservatives are extremely good at cherry-picking Bible verses, and the Constitution is no different. Hell, just look at how they completely ignore half of the second amendment! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/535 "2019-10-21T18:12:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > As I mentioned before, as a group, Conservatives are extremely good at cherry-picking Bible verses, and the Constitution is no different. Hell, just look at how they completely ignore half of the second amendment! Hey, the Supreme Court said! And whatever the Supreme Court says, it’s the Gospel. Unless it’s about abortion, or gay marriage, or discrimination, or gerrymandering, etc, in which it’s activist judges who shouldn’t be taken seriously! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/536 "2019-10-21T18:16:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > As I mentioned before, as a group, Conservatives are extremely good at cherry-picking Bible verses, and the Constitution is no different. Hell, just look at how they completely ignore half of the second amendment! Nothing is being ignored. If anything the concept of the Constitution as a charter for a government is what is being ignored or dishonestly reframed as a document that gives rights to the governed. Boo! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/537 "2019-10-21T18:23:51Z")
lolololololololololol Actually, I agree with you. It’s when the Constitution stops being a framework… and starts being policy… is where people really fuck up. And it’s been done with three items: Slaves Guns Alcohol The Constitution, properly written as a document for _free_ peoples, should never have addressed these three items. Plain, pure, and simple. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/538 "2019-10-21T18:30:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > lolololololololololol > > Actually, I agree with you. It’s when the Constitution stops being a framework… and starts being policy… is where people really fuck up. > > And it’s been done with three items: > > Slaves > Guns > Alcohol > > The Constitution, properly written as a document for _free_ peoples, should never have addressed these three items. Plain, pure, and simple. I’m with you on slaves and alcohol. I don’t see the problem with reinforcing the concept of the natural right of self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/541 "2020-11-05T20:36:53Z")
Note that this was bumped by a troll/sock. Since the last reply was a year ago, I am closing it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/542 "2020-11-05T20:36:59Z")
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