# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/61 "2019-10-03T23:22:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I know what it means but if a politician wants to refer to himself as a socialist I’m willing to oblige. I don’t want to mis-ideology the guy. You kind of miss the point in a big way. It’s that you automatically, in knee-jerk fashion, consider any hint of “socialism” to be inherently evil, despite the great things that social democracy has achieved in places like the Scandinavian countries and, to a lesser extent, in Canada, the UK, and many other advanced countries. And your fear of such progressivism is so great and terrifying that when someone like Bernie uses the term hyperbolically, it’s enough to send you scurrying to vote for an orange psychopath who is systematically destroying your country for his own enrichment. My point is, this is a choice that only an irrational dumbass would make, no offense. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/62 "2019-10-03T23:28:27Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > You kind of miss the point in a big way. It’s that you automatically, in knee-jerk fashion, consider any hint of “socialism” to be inherently evil, despite the great things that social democracy has achieved in places like the Scandinavian countries and, to a lesser extent, in Canada, the UK, and many other advanced countries. And your fear of such progressivism is so great and terrifying that when someone like Bernie uses the term hyperbolically, it’s enough to send you scurrying to vote for an orange psychopath who is systematically destroying your country for his own enrichment. My point is, this is a choice that only an irrational dumbass would make, no offense. I like a lot of government programs and I wouldn’t mind seeing some expanded. I don’t blindly trust any institution though. And yes, I’d rather have orangemanbad than a ridiculously expansive, general wealth tax. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/63 "2019-10-03T23:29:16Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > You kind of miss the point in a big way. It’s that you automatically, in knee-jerk fashion, consider any hint of “socialism” to be inherently evil, despite the great things that social democracy has achieved in places like the Scandinavian countries and, to a lesser extent, in Canada, the UK, and many other advanced countries. And your fear of such progressivism is so great and terrifying that when someone like Bernie uses the term hyperbolically, it’s enough to send you scurrying to vote for an orange psychopath who is systematically destroying your country for his own enrichment. My point is, this is a choice that only an irrational dumbass would make, no offense. Would it be possible to take this subject elsewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/64 "2019-10-03T23:34:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I’m sure glad no one here calls me vermin, insect, piece of shit, racist, Nazi, self-serving shithole, etc. 🙂 That thread is appalling. However, you aren’t going to catch me voting for **asahi**. Too many Trump voters support the guy because he’s willing to say the same sort of things about minorities. Are you appalled by that? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/65 "2019-10-03T23:55:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Would it be possible to take this subject elsewhere? Yeah, we certainly can’t be caught discussing politics in a political thread. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/66 "2019-10-03T23:56:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And since Sanders calls himself a socialist forgive me if I don’t use the super-duper precise historic meaning of the word. I’m sure you call yourself liberal when you have nothing in common with classic liberalism. You realize Trump has advocated political violence, right? Now Sanders is way down on my list of Democratic candidates, but exactly is it about his positions that is worse than the lying, press attacking, incompetent, sell out to the North Koreans, cowardly incumbent? Besides him calling himself a Socialist that is? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/67 "2019-10-04T00:12:08Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > You realize Trump has advocated political violence, right? > Now Sanders is way down on my list of Democratic candidates, but exactly is it about his positions that is worse than the lying, press attacking, incompetent, sell out to the North Koreans, cowardly incumbent? Besides him calling himself a Socialist that is? It’ll be far easier to undo Trumpian policies than it would be to undo the vast expansion of statism under Warren or Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/68 "2019-10-04T00:21:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I am here to make fun of you, mock your foolishness, and generally amuse myself at your expense. … This only answers the question, "Why do people who support Former President Trump\* (or pretend to) hang around this board. Nothing more. Obviously, this is also the _modus operandi_ and _raison d’être_ (and other foreign phrases) of trolls. As for the actual question proposed in the OP, allow me to point out that this question has been posed in half a dozen threads since FPT\* was elected and NO supporter has EVER posted any reply, let alone a coherent reply that addresses the question clearly. Never. Not once. Anti-trumpers will post answers speculating why people support him, but none of the actual supporters ever posts. This time is no different. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/69 "2019-10-04T00:31:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’ll be far easier to undo Trumpian policies than it would be to undo the vast expansion of statism under Warren or Sanders. It’s generally harder to undo popular policies than unpopular policies. ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/70 "2019-10-04T00:36:53Z")
What the fuck stupid shit is “self-identify” lmfao You overly emotional weirdos keep regurgitating that phrase and it is cringe as hell. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/71 "2019-10-04T00:37:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s generally harder to undo popular policies than unpopular policies. Yea. Unearned goodies are popular. They aren’t generally beneficial in the long term. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/72 "2019-10-04T00:40:07Z")
War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. I heard an NPR story (yeah, I know, but I still listen because I drive a bit) which contained a short interview with a Pennsylvania voter, an employed engineer no less, who won’t vote again for his Democratic representative if she votes for impeachment because (paraphrasing) “if you’re removing a President who’s making America great, you need to come up with your own plan to make America great.” So Orwell’s observations haven’t lost any informative value in the last 70 years. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/73 "2019-10-04T00:42:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yea. Unearned goodies are popular. They aren’t generally beneficial in the long term. You are right. Money given to ensure infant children have enough food to eat is clearly not beneficial in the long term. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/74 "2019-10-04T00:49:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You are right. Money given to ensure infant children have enough food to eat is clearly not beneficial in the long term. > > :rolleyes: That’s why the modifier “generally” was inserted. Hmm… and who’s to say that in the grand scheme of things feeding the weak is utilitarian? The discussion on intrinsic rights has me thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/75 "2019-10-04T00:58:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s why the modifier “generally” was inserted. Fair enough. How about some sort of proof that unearned ‘goodies’ given to the less fortunate “aren’t generally beneficial in the long term”? ---
**Author:** ![Annoyed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f04885/32.png) [@Annoyed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoyed)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/76 "2019-10-04T01:37:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Fair enough. How about some sort of proof that unearned ‘goodies’ given to the less fortunate “aren’t generally beneficial in the long term”? You mean like the taxpayer paying for the college debt of dumbasses who can’t do it themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/77 "2019-10-04T01:47:37Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You mean like the taxpayer paying for the college debt of dumbasses who can’t do it themselves? Sure, we can go with that if you want. Is that generally non-beneficial in the long term? How do you know? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/78 "2019-10-04T01:52:19Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > War is peace. Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. > > I heard an NPR story (yeah, I know, but I still listen because I drive a bit) … What’s wrong with NPR? Serious question. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/79 "2019-10-04T01:57:03Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > You mean like the taxpayer paying for the college debt of dumbasses who can’t do it themselves? Hey, shit-for-brains. Are you a Trump supporter, or are you yet another gutless wonder who would rather troll a thread than admit it? ---
**Author:** ![Northeast\_Refugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@Northeast\_Refugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northeast_Refugee)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/80 "2019-10-04T02:06:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ignoring everything Trump has done in the past, he is now openly asking foreign countries to investigate his political opponents, so I have to ask those of you who support him: _ **What in the holy fuck is wrong with you people?** _ > At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? Have all of you always secretly been this crookedly self-serving and were just waiting for the right opportunity to show your true colors? And the first mealy-mouthed jackass that suggests that they wouldn’t be this way if we just listened to those bigots and talked nicey-nicey to them can just shove it where the sun don’t shine. I’ve seen how they talk on their own forums and in person, and I’ve seen how they respond to differences of opinion in their own forums and in person, and I’ve got a bit of advice about those of you who bitch about not being treated “fairly” here: I’ve seen your version of “fair” on your home turf, so be damn glad we don’t treat you the way you do others. Were you similarly outraged when it was revealed that paid agent of the Clinton campaign approached Russian officials, and subsequently funneled millions of dollars to them, for the infamous fake dossier (the one so obviously fake that even NYTimes refused to print that garbage, leaving it to the extreme far-left outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN to do the dirty job). If you were not outraged, **What in the holy fuck is wrong with you??** At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=5)