# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/121 "2019-10-04T05:51:10Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Yep this thread certifies just how fucking stupid and detached from reality the left is when it comes to both understanding the right, and understanding their own failures. Meh, I think that guys like you only show a failure to follow the law. > **[FEC Chair Clarifies Law on Foreign Contributions to Campaigns](https://www.newsweek.com/following-trump-comments-federal-election-commission-chair-clarifies-law-foreign-contributions-1443948)** > > "This is not a novel concept," said Weintraub. > [@](#): > > Following President Donald Trump’s comments earlier this week that he would be willing to accept information about his political opponents even if were provided to his campaign by a foreign government, the chair of the Federal Election Commission (FEC) has publicly released a statement reminding everyone that doing so would be “illegal.” > > “I would not have thought that I needed to say this,” wrote FEC Chair Ellen L. Weintraub on Twitter Thursday afternoon. > > Her tweet included an image of her full statement, which reads: > > “Let me make something 100% clear to the American public and anyone running for public office: It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election. **This is not a novel concept. Electoral intervention from foreign governments has been considered unacceptable since the beginnings of our nation. Our Founding Fathers sounded the alarm about ‘foreign Interference, Intrigue, and Influence.’ They knew that when foreign governments seek to influence American politics, it is always to advance their own interests, not America’s.** ” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/122 "2019-10-04T07:05:43Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > What’s there to reveal? DNC and Clinton campaign funneled millions of dollars to Russian operatives to collect dirt on Clinton’s political enemy. The return on their investment was so pathetic, that only Goebbels-like outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN decided to publish it, while even the hard-code leftist rag like NY Times refused to publish it. Did they abuse the power of any public office they were holding to do so? (FTR they didn’t. They sure as shit didn’t release a transcript of them doing it) To explain my point some more (i can see from your post we’re gonna need to): Using campaign funds to campaign isn’t really in the same category as using US government money to campaign is it? (For the sake of argument I’m accepting that the DNC also sought to obtain information through foreign channels; even if there is little proof of that.) IF the DNC tried to strongarm foreign goverments into spying for them (they didn’t), they didn’t do it from the oval office. They didn’t use promised US aid to extort anyone. If you really think this has a “both sides” angle to it, you do not comprehend the implications of the information presented about Trump’s recent dealings with Ukraine. I’m not claiming Hilary or the DNC are nice people who do everything by the book. They’re politicians. I do claim they are able to separate US foreign policy from their personal campaign. I also like to point out that WP \<\> buzzfeed. (This post was brought to you by: The Librarian – quality Troll food since 2002:smack:putting him on Ignore now) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/123 "2019-10-04T07:07:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Meh, I think that guys like you only show a failure to follow the law. > > [Following Trump Comments, Federal Election Commission Chair Clarifies Law on Foreign Contributions to Election Campaigns](https://www.newsweek.com/following-trump-comments-federal-election-commission-chair-clarifies-law-foreign-contributions-1443948) [And Trump’s VP says what Trump is not wrong or illegal at all](https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mike-pence-defend-trump-ukraine-220521036.html). Hey, maybe he’ll get impeached, too! ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/124 "2019-10-04T10:15:28Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it. Cite? Almost every syllable of your post seems like nonsense; I’m sincerely curious what craven site you concocted it from. Don’t be shy. If the relevant Alex Jones YouTubes have been taken down, just say so. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/125 "2019-10-04T10:29:41Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it. > The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles. Assuming any of this is true (and I must pint out that you have provided zero evidence to this effect), I’ll ask again: is it your argument that actual President Trump gets a free pass on wrongdoing if it can be shown that candidate Clinton did something wrong? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/126 "2019-10-04T10:38:40Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Assuming any of this is true (and I must pint out that you have provided zero evidence to this effect), I’ll ask again: is it your argument that actual President Trump gets a free pass on wrongdoing if it can be shown that candidate Clinton did something wrong? Don’t you get it? Real life, including political matters, is just a sport. There are exactly two sides, and you’re either in one side, or the other. And there’s a score — two unambiguous numbers that increase over time, one for one side and one for the other. At least, that’s exactly how every Republican I’ve ever met sees the world. Why, I have no idea. I really don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/127 "2019-10-04T11:30:59Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Yep this thread certifies just how fucking stupid and detached from reality the left is when it comes to both understanding the right, and understanding their own failures. Trump is currently breaking the law, and you support that. That is what this thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/128 "2019-10-04T12:34:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I swear, I could have put [Admiral Ackbar]It’s a trap!![/AA] in the OP and these morons would still have shown up to troll. To be fair, you’re not going to find many Trump supporters in intelligent debates about policy, foreign government’s influcing our elections, paying off porn stars, obstructing of justice, emoluments, or violating due process. These kinds of threads, where it’s just stupid namecalling and “pwning da libs” are much more their speed. And their intelligence level. And their reading comprehension. And their critical thinking. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/129 "2019-10-04T12:44:53Z")
Yes. One thing that worries me about all this compared to, say, Watergate, is the “foreign” (Ukraine) component. So many Republican voters don’t care at all about anything beyond US borders, so anything about how Trump compromised Ukraine’s security (even if this also hurt our own) is just a non-issue for them. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/130 "2019-10-04T12:47:16Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > I dunno, something like this should help you out > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-clinton-campaign-sought-dirt-on-trump-from-russian-officials-wheres-the-outrage/2018/08/02/dee4be12-9672-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-clinton-campaign-sought-dirt-on-trump-from-russian-officials-wheres-the-outrage/2018/08/02/dee4be12-9672-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html) Do you have any cites that aren’t somebody’s opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/131 "2019-10-04T12:47:49Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > Were you similarly outraged when it was revealed that paid agent of the Clinton campaign approached Russian officials, and subsequently funneled millions of dollars to them, for the infamous fake dossier (the one so obviously fake that even NYTimes refused to print that garbage, leaving it to the extreme far-left outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN to do the dirty job). > If you were not outraged, **What in the holy fuck is wrong with you??** At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? I believe it was the conservative Washington Examiner that purchased that piece of oppo research. But in any case, I certainly noticed that the Clinton campaign did not attempt to publicly release the dossier before the election or otherwise attempt to use it to their advantage. Instead, they turned the disturbing allegations over to law enforcement authorities . ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/132 "2019-10-04T13:05:39Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it. > The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles. This is like the fun house mirror view of what happened, but nothing in this post is actually true. You post like a crazy person. Are you a crazy person? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/133 "2019-10-04T13:14:14Z")
Is this **Northeast** ding-dong yammering in about the Clinton Hotel deal in Moscow, _still??_ ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/134 "2019-10-04T13:15:29Z")
If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply: 1. You’re willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges 2. Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts 3. You hate the same people he does 4. You’re of low intelligence 5. You’re just an asshole ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/135 "2019-10-04T13:34:39Z")
Man, that is one fugly Venn diagram. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/136 "2019-10-04T13:37:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply: > > 1. You’re willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges > > 2. Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts > > 3. You hate the same people he does > > 4. You’re of low intelligence > > 5. You’re just an asshole (6) You’re in an industry that will benefit (at least short term) from lowering/removing environmental protections, and you don’t give a shit about what the future may hold (because you won’t be around to see it first hand). ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/137 "2019-10-04T16:17:06Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > No, my gotcha is the fact that Democrats colluded with Russia in order to collect political dirt on their opponents, paid them millions of dollars, and all they got in return was fake dossier, so laughably fake, even rags like NY Times refused to publish it. > The fact that your under-powered liberal brain is totally ok with Clinton colluding with Russia tells us all about your (lack of) any moral principles. If they paid then it wasn’t illegal. > [@](#): > > [Is it actually illegal to accept “campaign dirt” from foreigners?](https://www.vox.com/2019/6/14/18677631/trump-campaign-finance-law-fec-illegal-fbi) > Experts told me that when it comes to campaign finance law, hiring or contracting a foreigner to do services for a campaign is allowed. … > If a campaign is paying someone for work or services, they’re being compensated. But where that doesn’t happen, and a campaign is accepting a contribution — or “thing of value” — from a foreign government, the question then is what’s in it for them? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/138 "2019-10-04T17:47:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you, **Annoyed** and **Northeast Refugee** , for being perfect examples. I love you, Stinky! :kiss kiss: I love you too, Smelly! :tongue tongue: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/139 "2019-10-04T19:16:44Z")
Let me see if I’ve scored this correctly. OP asks a very simple relevant question, which I will paraphrase as: _“Donald Trump appears to have committed a crime, yet Republicans are rallying around him. What gives? Is it OK if the Prez commits a crime? Is there some reason the apparent crime is not a crime? Hillary enslaved children to be sex slaves, so at least we’re not as bad as her?”_ Surely even a Republican can see that the answer to this question is relevant if we’re to make any progress toward understanding their “thought.” Yet five Republicans or Trumpists have responded (six if we count **Malleus** ’ relative) and we’ve yet to get a single intelligible answer. Four (octopus, Shodan, Annoying, and Northeast Troll) have made several posts, yet have never even pretended to answer the question! — And they wonder why we treat them only with contempt? But let’s do give a big Thank You to the two Trumpists who deigned to answer, who deigned to help us understand what “conservative” thinking on this matter is. First, hat’s off to **Malleus** ’ relative: > [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > I was having a conversation with a close relative the other day that I found enlightening, at least with regard to the current conservative psyche. > I asked him if he thought there were any hard lines the “good guys” should never cross. And he basically said, not really. He said that it’s all nice and well to have ethics in a world where everyone holds hands and sings Kumbaya, but in the real world, you do what you have to do in America’s best interests. Even if it means lowering yourself to “their” level. > After several minutes of debate, and some hemming and hawing, he came up with a line: genocide. As in, if there’s a village full of civilians, you can’t just bomb them because you don’t like their face. If there’s a better reason to bomb them, though, like there’s terrorists hiding out in the village, kaboom away. > > Convince yourself that having Agent Orange around is the best thing for the country, and with that mindset you really _could_ overlook him shooting a guy on Fifth Avenue. OK. If Trump commits a crime, it’s OK. He can shoot a man on Fifth Avenue but not bomb an entire village. Many of the D’s will disagree with this viewpoint, _ **but at least he answered the question.** _ And **HeweyLogan** also answered the question. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I read the OP and voted for Trump. I’m going to do it again, too. Am I allowed to comment in your thread? > > Great. > > You’re as unhinged and nutty as asahi. Wait a minute. This doesn’t seem to be a direct answer either. I hear complaints when we compare these Dopers to cockroaches. Yet given their inability to address a simple question, and given the utter nastiness with which they refuse to answer I think the comparison is unfair … to cockroaches. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/140 "2019-10-04T20:11:00Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Lol! No. Trump’s a piece of shit. I’d take any Democrat candidate over him. I’d take an actual, literal steaming fresh piece of real shit over Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=8)