# A simple question for Trump supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213 "2019-10-03T17:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/141 "2019-10-04T20:16:52Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Could you kindly re-reveal it for those following along at home? Thanks. It was right about the same time Obama opened the FEMA camps and the Bowling Green Massacre happened 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/142 "2019-10-04T20:19:04Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > Hey, you piece of shit–yes, I am. > Now, let me you ask this, you lowlife maggot: are you so fucking in love with Russia, you’re ok with your fellow liberal scumbags openly colluding with Russia, and getting scammed by them to the tune of millions of dollars, all for the sake of collecting dirt on their political opponents? > What the fuck is wrong with you? At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? Gee. That is exactly what Trump has been doing since Day One. right out in the fucking open. Along with Moscow Mitch and all the other scumbag shit eating maggot sons of bitches. Now feel free to fuck off back to 4Chan 8Chan Stormfront or wherever the fuck you slithered in from. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/143 "2019-10-04T23:00:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > My acid test for hyperpartisans is, “If the person involved was Clinton and not Trump, and the countries were, say, China and not Ukraine, would you still be totally cool with this?” Doesn’t work. They will either (a) refuse to answer, or (b) claim that they would have, which is an outright lie. They don’t care. They do not feel the need to be consistent. You know, like Bill Clinton fooling around with Monica L. might have destroyed the Republic, but Trump paying off a porn actress to keep her mouth shut about fooling around with him is is personal business and has nothing to do with his fitness to be president. Because it is, after all is said and done, \*only \*about owning the libs. It is absolutely about nothing else. I guess being mean to some poor Guatemalan dishwashers is a nice bonus, but basically it’s class warfare. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/144 "2019-10-05T01:59:56Z")
MAGAs only see Trumpist news. It’s really shocking to hear their understanding and interpretation of world events in recent years. A friend of mine was staying with a family in Montana recently, and she told me that they thought the big scandal of last year was the one involving…Michelle Obama (I would put a confused emoji here, but it would make light of just how WTF that notion is). What’s interesting to me is that with this Ukraine scandal, the defence is completely incoherent. Because Trump himself is denouncing the whole thing as a witch hunt, fake news etc, _while at the same time_ tacitly admitting to all the accusations against him. So Republicans’ defences are really all over the place, much more so than ever before. I think Trump will lose an onion layer of support on this one, leaving only the more hardcore “Tell me how many fingers I can see, dear leader” MAGAs. I don’t know what will happen to these hardcore guys as we proceed to the next phase (we’re probably at about phase 25 by now). ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/145 "2019-10-05T09:05:18Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > Ah, so you’re ok with US Presidential candidate funneling millions of dollars for fake information about their political opponents from Russian operatives. From [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier): > [@](#): > > In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, an attorney for Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele’s firm to compile the dossier. DNC officials denied knowing their attorney had contracted with Fusion GPS, and Steele asserted he was not aware the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research until months after he contracted with Fusion GPS.[9][10] Following Trump’s election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research and was reportedly paid directly by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn R. Simpson. > \<…\> > Russian intelligence agencies have sought to create doubt about the veracity of the dossier.[15] The U.S. intelligence community took the allegations seriously.[16] > \<…\> > Contrary to repeated assertions by Trump,[20] Fox News,[21] and many of his supporters, the dossier was not the impetus for the opening of the FBI’s “Crossfire Hurricane” counterintelligence investigation into the Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election campaign.[22] Doesn’t sound like anyone gave millions to Russian operatives. But wait, there’s more! > [@](#): > > When CNN reported the existence of the dossier on January 10, 2017,[82][96] it did not name the author of the dossier, but revealed that he was British. Steele concluded that his anonymity had been “fatally compromised”, and, realizing it was “only a matter of time until his name became public knowledge”, fled into hiding with his family, in fear of “a prompt and potentially dangerous backlash against him from Moscow”.[97][98] Oh yeah, them husky Russkies, they loved the reveal so much! Tramp has bragged of obstruction, said he wanted to fuck his underage daughter, said good Nazis and KKK’rs exist, and “confiscate guns now; due process later.” Don’t forget the crocodile-filled border moat. A simple question: You’re okay with this? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/146 "2019-10-05T11:15:05Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Doesn’t work. They will either (a) refuse to answer, or (b) claim that they would have, which is an outright lie. > > They don’t care. They do not feel the need to be consistent. That’s standard fascist tactics, as old as the movement itself. They don’t care in the slightest about consistency or any type of principle, only about “winning”. They’ll knowingly contradict themselves with a smile because it throws a wrench into the normal rules of conversation and debate, both enraging their opponents and often causing those opponents to be punished by moderators if their are any in that medium. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/147 "2019-10-05T14:40:27Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > […] leaving it to the extreme far-left outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN to do the dirty job […] > […] that only Goebbels-like outlets like Buzzfeed and CNN decided to publish it, while even the hard-code leftist rag like NY Times refused to publish it. So for you “far-left outlets” are synonymous with “Goebbels-like”. It follows that you consider yourself a moderate way to the right of Goebbels. No brotherly love for you, no turning the other cheek: I wish you evil, suffering and damnation. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/148 "2019-10-06T02:31:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > If you support Donald now, one or more of these things must apply: > > 1. You’re willing to tolerate anything he says or does in order to get those tax cuts and right wing judges > > 2. Your primary source of news is Fox and/or Hate Radio and/or right wing social media posts > > 3. You hate the same people he does > > 4. You’re of low intelligence > > 5. You’re just an asshole I support him 1.)No, but those are a nice change of pace. 2.)No, there are twenty difference liberal news outlets and maybe 2 conservative, I get my news from the left for the most part (some is much more true to “News” than others), and do some fact checking. Much of the complaints turn out to be projection of their own insecurities, hypocrisy, hyperbole or just baseless. If it is, I take note and scale it, keeping an eye out and ear open to see if it gets worse. I don’t care about politicians personal lives as much as what they do. 3.)I don’t hate anyone. 4.) 138 IQ, A decade ago, so I’ve improved. 5.) When I have to be, or when it get results. Generally I like to be fair to everyone and give them a fair shake. I only give a second chance, not a third, or fourth+ Outside of stereotypes, most righties I’ve known are the same. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/149 "2019-10-06T02:33:46Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That’s standard fascist tactics, as old as the movement itself. They don’t care in the slightest about consistency or any type of principle, only about “winning”. They’ll knowingly contradict themselves with a smile because it throws a wrench into the normal rules of conversation and debate, both enraging their opponents and often causing those opponents to be punished by moderators if their are any in that medium. This is **EXACTLY** what you keep doing when myself or another rightie posts anything at all that differs from your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/150 "2019-10-06T02:45:40Z")
People looking for non-biased media can read reporting from Reuters, AP, and BBC. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/151 "2019-10-06T03:08:29Z")
> [@Northeast\_Refugee](#): > > At what point did you decide that there is no difference between right and wrong? As I recall it was right about the same time that the right lined up and bent over for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/152 "2019-10-06T03:13:39Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > That’s standard fascist tactics, as old as the movement itself. They don’t care in the slightest about consistency or any type of principle, only about “winning”. They’ll knowingly contradict themselves with a smile because it throws a wrench into the normal rules of conversation and debate, both enraging their opponents and often causing those opponents to be punished by moderators if their are any in that medium. If a debate cause one to become enraged and unhinged perhaps that person should stay away from debates or other conversations where a difference of opinion might be offered? Society is safer that way. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/153 "2019-10-06T03:15:34Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I support him Trampsters don’t seem to mind rampant corruption and blatant bribe-taking; inciting violence against political non-toadies and other US citizens; the “tariff king” unilaterally raising taxes on most Americans; denying saying what he was just recorded saying; and outright treason as Constitutionally defined. You’re okay with that? I’ll repeat what I asked a few posts back. \> Tramp has bragged of obstruction, said he wanted to fuck his underage daughter, said good Nazis and KKK’rs exist, and “confiscate guns now; due process later.” Don’t forget the crocodile-filled border moat. A simple question: You’re okay with this? I do not judge Trampsters’ intelligence or morality. I doubt their sanity. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/154 "2019-10-06T03:32:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If a debate cause one to become enraged and unhinged perhaps that person should stay away from debates or other conversations where a difference of opinion might be offered? Society is safer that way. Hey, Mr. tolerance & temperance, you feel safe with this kind of “[society](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-than-democrat-shirts/)”? Why don’t you engage your brain before you run your dumbass mouth. Ass-clown. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/155 "2019-10-06T03:42:17Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > What the fuck stupid shit is “self-identify” lmfao > > You overly emotional weirdos keep regurgitating that phrase and it is cringe as hell. Self-identify as in “being ingenuous about who you are”? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/156 "2019-10-06T03:46:04Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I support him > > 1.)No, but those are a nice change of pace. > 2.)No, there are twenty difference liberal news outlets and maybe 2 conservative, I get my news from the left for the most part (some is much more true to “News” than others), and do some fact checking. Much of the complaints turn out to be projection of their own insecurities, hypocrisy, hyperbole or just baseless. If it is, I take note and scale it, keeping an eye out and ear open to see if it gets worse. I don’t care about politicians personal lives as much as what they do. > 3.)I don’t hate anyone. > 4.) 138 IQ, A decade ago, so I’ve improved. > 5.) When I have to be, or when it get results. Generally I like to be fair to everyone and give them a fair shake. I only give a second chance, not a third, or fourth+ > > Outside of stereotypes, most righties I’ve known are the same. You’ve had _your_ fair shake as far as I’m concerned. If any of the rest of you want to give the regurgitator of right-wing talking points a second, third or fourth chance be my guest. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/157 "2019-10-06T04:25:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And since Sanders calls himself a socialist forgive me if I don’t use the super-duper precise historic meaning of the word. I’m sure you call yourself liberal when you have nothing in common with classic liberalism. When someone self-identifies as a Democratic Socialist, it is dishonest to characterize his statement as having called himself a socialist. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/158 "2019-10-06T05:18:17Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I support him > > 1.)No, but those are a nice change of pace. > 2.)No, there are twenty difference liberal news outlets and maybe 2 conservative, I get my news from the left for the most part (some is much more true to “News” than others), and do some fact checking. Much of the complaints turn out to be projection of their own insecurities, hypocrisy, hyperbole or just baseless. If it is, I take note and scale it, keeping an eye out and ear open to see if it gets worse. I don’t care about politicians personal lives as much as what they do. > 3.)I don’t hate anyone. > 4.) 138 IQ, A decade ago, so I’ve improved. Please, not impressed after years of seeing the ones that claim that while their blind spots are painfully there for all to see. One big blind spot comes from not realizing how even the parameters of the discussion are changed by the very media one thinks one should rely on. And while it could be easy for me (by experience) to use the example of climate change, the example of the Benghazi terrorist attack is one that we should look here as a test. What do you think? Are you aware now about how the people from the right where manipulated to believe many things about that incident that had no basis in reality? > **[FACT CHECK: Attack on the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/benghazi-bungle/)** > > Various critical statements about the September 2012 terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya. > **[2012 Benghazi attack](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack)** > > On September 11, 2012, the United States consulate and a nearby CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya were attacked by Islamic extremists. Four Americans were killed, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens. There was no clear evidence... ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/159 "2019-10-06T05:29:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > When someone self-identifies as a Democratic Socialist, it is dishonest to characterize his statement as having called himself a socialist. > [@octopus](#): > > I know what it means but if a politician wants to refer to himself as a socialist I’m willing to oblige. I don’t want to mis-ideology the guy. Clearly, you DO. Or maybe you’re just really bad at avoiding doing things that you “don’t want” to do. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2019, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213/160 "2019-10-06T07:45:03Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I support him > > 1.)No, but those are a nice change of pace. > 2.)No, there are twenty difference liberal news outlets and maybe 2 conservative, I get my news from the left for the most part (some is much more true to “News” than others), and do some fact checking. Much of the complaints turn out to be projection of their own insecurities, hypocrisy, hyperbole or just baseless. If it is, I take note and scale it, keeping an eye out and ear open to see if it gets worse. I don’t care about politicians personal lives as much as what they do. > 3.)I don’t hate anyone. > 4.) 138 IQ, A decade ago, so I’ve improved. > 5.) When I have to be, or when it get results. Generally I like to be fair to everyone and give them a fair shake. I only give a second chance, not a third, or fourth+ > > Outside of stereotypes, most righties I’ve known are the same. OK, I’ll play. Is there anything Trump could do to lose your support? are you OK with: -Putting kids in cages? -Putting people in concentration camps? -Denouncing US intelligence while standing next to a hostile foreign Leader? -Denying human influence on the climate, sabotaging efforts to do anything about it? -Never, ever telling the truth about anything. (thousands of lies, about the dumbest things) Never, ever backing down from a lie, no matter how childish or inconsequential? [cite](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/10/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/) -Openly supporting alt-right/neo-nazi extremists? -Putting in less hours than any other modern president? -Profiting from forcing the secret service to stay at your own resorts? -Running a completely criminal campaign. I believe everyone except Trump himself involved in his campaign is now behind bars. (Yes, this is a slight exaggeration. If you want to argue this you have lost sight of the bigger picture) In my eyes every one of these points are disqualifying on their own. Presidents resigned over less. Yet you are OK with ALL of them. Why? There is a longer list of stuff that would stop anyone’s aspirations to public office. - the scam that is “Trump University” - The thing with Ms. Daniels (others are already behind bars for this). - His remarks about his hot daughter. - His self-aggrandizing lies about 9/11. - The money he promised to 9/11 charities and never gave. How does your head work? -You somehow believe Trump over everybody else? All these points are made up? Trump is not a scumbag? (And the earth is flat?) -You don’t care. He’s sticking it to the libs! (never mind he’s robbing you all blind) I cannot imagine how your thought process works. We know all of these points to be true (there is fucking video and signed affidavits) yet you “support him”. What did he do for you? I hope he’s already done it 'cause he’s not real good with keeping promises. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-simple-question-for-trump-supporters/841213.md?page=9)