# A thread for all things Cephalopod **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246 "2017-11-10T19:57:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/61 "2017-11-11T06:15:44Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Damn, I thought you were leaving! Before you judge anyone with your big brain, think about how you would feel if this was your Mom or Wife or Sister, or child! No woman should have to worry about being judged by strangers for disclosing what happened to them, much less family. It happens to EVERY person who speaks out about being sexually assaulted or abused. EVERY one! And by the way, off topic, but since you’re here and this is the Pit: You’re a fucking nitwit, dumbass too, who I strongly think is a troll. Either troll or dumbass, one or the other. You make this message board dumber with every post you make, in any thread, moron. Now that I have gotten that off my chest, I’ll take my leave of this thread now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/62 "2017-11-11T06:17:12Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Stop whining about civility and go back to the safe space forums, you whiny brat. He gets upset when people use rude words, but is fine with publicly shaming sexually abused little girls. He has an unusual definition of civility. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/63 "2017-11-11T06:22:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I’ve said. > > If it’s an accusation of sexual misconduct, I won’t attack in any way the accuser, barring good evidence they are lying (and there’s none such evidence in this case). > > Again, I don’t care if you’re skeptical or want to wait for more information. That’s irrelevant to what I’m criticizing you for. > > I think I’m done trying to explain this, since you keep responding to straw men and ignoring the actual reason behind my criticism. Shame on you for implying dishonesty in women for nothing more than coming forward to tell their story. Again, anyone can make a claim. There is nothing sacred about one particular type of accusation. Perhaps she has perfectly valid reasons for waiting. Perhaps she doesn’t. But since you apparently care about virtue signalling and not virtue the point eludes you. > [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Publicly shaming a girl for getting molested when she was 14 is a little bit more than partisan. > > Also, the person publicly shaming sex abuse victims is **you**. Don’t try to hide it by going all passive voice on us; own your behavior. > > Who would have imagined that people would disapprove of you shaming 14-year-old sex abuse victims? Publicly shaming? Where? And how? And it’s alleged 14-year old sex abuse victim. Here’s the deal. If you want to deal with perverts go to the police. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > What would be the fucking point of lying about sexual assault 40 years later? Or to quote someone more eloquent than I: > > There’s no upside to this for Leigh Corfman. Zero, zilch, nada. Her life is most likely filled with anguish, terror, and death threats. Somewhere, you’re trying to ascribe some sort of GOOD TIMES to a victim of molestation opening up about it decades later. There’s nothing good in it, for her, or anyone for that matter. > > I have to disagree with E-DUB. You don’t deserve to touch the same ice as national treasures like the Detroit Red Wings. You belong somewhere more appropriate like Quebec - [where they just throw trash out there](https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2015/5/29/8690241/angry-quebec-remparts-fans-throw-trash-memorial-cup-kelowna-rockets). > > For the guy who’s first words in this thread were > > Stop whining about civility and go back to the safe space forums, you whiny brat. No. This is my Pit thread. And calling people brat is not nice. But it’s far more civil then what follows. It made me say “Oh my!” > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Octopus** is a dumbass, shithead troll whose time here is probably limited. Trust me, asshole, racist, dickhead posters like him always get banned eventually. I can and have easily predicted the last few posters to get banned– **Okrahoma** was one of them–and **octopus** is on that list. A few others are, like **HurricanDitka** and **up the junction**. I predict his stay here will not last another full year…if I’m wrong, I will be hugely surprised. > > And I’m saying all this as a poster, not a mod. It’s not hard to _not_ be warned or banned on this site. It’s not hard to stay clear of rule-breaking, IMO. > …But see, **octopus** , you’re such a huge, raging dillhole, fuckface, bigoted, shitsucker…who is constantly whining about everything and being a shitty human being in most all of your posts and in general…that it’s only gonna be a matter of time. > > Prove me wrong. I’d love to see it. A threat from a mod!?! :eek::eek::eek: A matter of time for what, my autistic “friend?” And do you kiss your mother with that potty mouth? And what’s up with the random …s? Is there a secret Morse code message you’re trying to send? Do any of you people get out of the basement? Do any of you people have kids or spouses? Wait til you or someone you know gets accused of something. I can guarantee you that you’ll wish that the people who hear that accusation don’t immediately assume the worst about you. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/64 "2017-11-11T06:24:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Publicly shaming? Where? Here, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/65 "2017-11-11T06:30:24Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Here, dumbass. Oh. I stand corrected. Those 8 unique views are going to be so hard to recover from. You know when 2018 and 2020 roll around and the mud is being slung all over the place I wonder how unquestioning the hive mind will be. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/66 "2017-11-11T06:36:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh. I stand corrected. Those 8 unique views are going to be so hard to recover from. Disappointed that your attacks on a 14 year old sexual molestation victim didn’t reach a larger audience? Have you ever tried just not being a shitty person? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/67 "2017-11-11T06:38:56Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Disappointed that your attacks on a 14 year old sexual molestation victim didn’t reach a larger audience? > > Have you ever tried just not being a shitty person? Have you ever tried reading for comprehension and not posting merely to appeal to the emotions of your fellow in crowd? If you are ever accused of a crime you know you’d much prefer a jury of octopuses than a jury of your emotional peers. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/68 "2017-11-11T06:46:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If you are ever accused of a crime you know you’d much prefer a jury of octopuses than a jury of your emotional peers. Oh, I completely agree. I’d pretend to be a Republican and you’d ignore any evidence of my guilt, attack my victim as a liar, and lecture the smarter jurors on their incivility for pointing out your behavior. Shit, with you on the jury I could probably get away with raping a 14 year old girl. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/69 "2017-11-11T06:49:35Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Oh, I completely agree. I’d pretend to be a Republican and you’d ignore any evidence of my guilt, attack my victim as a liar, and lecture the smarter jurors on their incivility for pointing out your behavior. Shit, with you on the jury I could probably get away with raping a 14 year old girl. No. What you would get is someone who would listen to the evidence then make a judgement accordingly. Not an overly emotional potty mouth that lets biases overrule logic and facts. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/70 "2017-11-11T06:50:31Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/71 "2017-11-11T06:55:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > No. What you would get is someone who would listen to the evidence then make a judgement accordingly. Not an overly emotional potty mouth that lets biases overrule logic and facts. No, I’d get someone who wasn’t smart enough to recognize his own biases. Like the one where he’d attack a 14 year old sexual abuse victim if she had the temerity to accuse a Republican of molesting her. Oh, and more lectures on civility. Between the lectures and the attacking 14 year old sexual abuse survivors, where do you find the time? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/72 "2017-11-11T06:56:34Z")
Jesus, I’m not thrilled that octopus questioned the account of the victim in the way he did, but there are people on this board who genuinely think women who are actually raped have no right to tell anyone until there’s a conviction. There are actual rapists on this board, at least one of whom admitted it anonymously. I’ve seen men say if a woman consents to oral sex and gets anally raped, she’s partly responsible, and another man chimed in that women are the gatekeepers of their ultra sacred pussy just to hurt and manipulate men. That’s leaving aside the more mundane scumbags who make life miserable for women posters in small ways every day. Octopus is small potatoes by comparison and I don’t think he deserves this grotesque characterization of shaming a child victim of rape because he asked why she didn’t come forward sooner. My response was trying to take the opportunity of that criticism to talk about a systemic problem that gets in my nerves here. He’s really not the problem. I’m not just saying that because he’s a cephalopod. I admit that fact biases me a little, but I just don’t see him as a misogynistic douchebag. There are conservative partisan hacks on this board who love to provoke, and there are conservatives who disagree with liberals in perhaps frustrating ways, but I see them conflated all the time here. I’ve gone on record to register my disappointment with his debate style, but comparing him to a fucking delusional idiot like Okra? Really? I wouldn’t even compare Hurricane Ditka to Okra. I like HD just fine. I wish sometimes on this board there were more tolerance for, you know, dissent. What exactly do you think is the upshot to calling every conservative a Nazi or child rape apologist? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/73 "2017-11-11T06:59:38Z")
Hell, the only reason I spoke to him directly is because I knew he’d hear me out. And he did. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/74 "2017-11-11T07:02:25Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No, I’d get someone who wasn’t smart enough to recognize his own biases. Like the one where he’d attack a 14 year old sexual abuse victim if she had the temerity to accuse a Republican of molesting her. > > Oh, and more lectures on civility. Between the lectures and the attacking 14 year old sexual abuse survivors, where do you find the time? You truly are dense. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/75 "2017-11-11T07:04:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > No. This is my Pit thread. And calling people brat is not nice. But it’s far more civil then what follows. It made me say “Oh my!” Just because someone pits you, you don’t get to control what people say in your thread. You’ve got it ass-backwards. Brat. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/76 "2017-11-11T07:05:49Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Just because someone pits you, you don’t get to control what people say in your thread. You’ve got it ass-backwards. > > Brat. Shit, shit, shit, shit, shit. And I thought my sentence structure needed improvement.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/77 "2017-11-11T07:14:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And I thought my sentence structure needed improvement.:eek: And you’re still too fucking long-winded. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/78 "2017-11-11T07:21:50Z")
> [@PigArcher](#): > > The worst thing about **octopus** is that he named himself after an otherwise cool and interesting animal. Can we just talk about them instead? At best that’s the second worst thing about **octoputz**. The worst I can think of is that he’s a GOP partisan hack and apologist at all times and in every way. Plus, he smells. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/79 "2017-11-11T12:38:46Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Jesus, I’m not thrilled that octopus questioned the account of the victim in the way he did, but there are people on this board who genuinely think women who are actually raped have no right to tell anyone until there’s a conviction. There are actual rapists on this board, at least one of whom admitted it anonymously. I’ve seen men say if a woman consents to oral sex and gets anally raped, she’s partly responsible, and another man chimed in that women are the gatekeepers of their ultra sacred pussy just to hurt and manipulate men. That’s leaving aside the more mundane scumbags who make life miserable for women posters in small ways every day. Octopus is small potatoes by comparison and I don’t think he deserves this grotesque characterization of shaming a child victim of rape because he asked why she didn’t come forward sooner. My response was trying to take the opportunity of that criticism to talk about a systemic problem that gets in my nerves here. He’s really not the problem. I’m not just saying that because he’s a cephalopod. I admit that fact biases me a little, but I just don’t see him as a misogynistic douchebag. > > There are conservative partisan hacks on this board who love to provoke, and there are conservatives who disagree with liberals in perhaps frustrating ways, but I see them conflated all the time here. I’ve gone on record to register my disappointment with his debate style, but comparing him to a fucking delusional idiot like Okra? Really? I wouldn’t even compare Hurricane Ditka to Okra. I like HD just fine. I wish sometimes on this board there were more tolerance for, you know, dissent. What exactly do you think is the upshot to calling every conservative a Nazi or child rape apologist? I don’t see him as a misogynistic douchebag either, but his just asking questions shtick strikes me as well in line with the broader culture that does not respect victims who choose to speak about what happened to them. And thus all worth criticizing. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246/80 "2017-11-11T12:47:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Again, anyone can make a claim. There is nothing sacred about one particular type of accusation. Perhaps she has perfectly valid reasons for waiting. Perhaps she doesn’t. But since you apparently care about virtue signalling and not virtue the point eludes you. This is getting sad. Virtue signaling? I suppose I’m a SJW too. After Moore’s response of “not generally, no”, are you honestly still skeptical? Maybe I’m not “virtue signaling”, and maybe publicly questioning the motives and honesty of women who come forward, with absolutely no evidence they aren’t being honest does no good for anyone, and really might make it just a tiny bit harder for victims to come forward. My opinion of you as a poster is less than before. I thought maybe you were capable of taking criticism on board, but apparently not. Apparently my motives are suspect, not just these victims, just because I criticized you. Carry on then, and best wishes to you. If someone close to you confides in you that they were sexually mistreated one day, maybe there’s a chance some of this conversation might click in your head and you won’t question their account or motives. Hopefully. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-all-things-cephalopod/801246.md?page=5)