# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/181 "2023-08-23T18:54:43Z")
Just breaking on CNN: Giuliani has reached a bond agreement. It’s $150K, with the usual conditions (“no discussions with co-defendants” etc.). Apparently, he is currently on his way to the Fulton County Jail to be booked and processed. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/182 "2023-08-23T18:58:27Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Apparently, he is currently on his way to the Fulton County Jail to be booked and processed. As much as Trump hates being a defendant, you’d think this would be _especially_ hard on Rudy, after his career at DOJ. Trump has always been a slimy criminal, so somewhere in the back of his mind, he must have known this day might come. Rudy, on the other hand, never thought for a second he’d be indicted. (until 2021, of course) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/183 "2023-08-23T18:59:38Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > usual conditions (“no discussions with co-defendants” etc What sort of discussions are banned? I mean, they must be allowed to discuss their defense strategies with each other, right? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/184 "2023-08-23T19:01:12Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I mean, they must be allowed to discuss their defense strategies with each other, right? Those conversations should take place between their lawyers. (I haven’t seen the language of the conditions, but this is my guess) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/185 "2023-08-23T19:06:08Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Those conversations should take place between their lawyers. (I haven’t seen the language of the conditions, but this is my guess) I believe this is exactly the case. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/186 "2023-08-23T19:07:00Z")
I think it’s a good guess, and it would be my guess too. No problem if Rudy talks with his lawyer who talks with Trump’s lawyer, who then talks with Trump (for example). And any messages, info, whatever, make their way back to Rudy by the same route. But Rudy may not pick up the phone and call Donald directly. Any communication between Rudy and any co-defendant must go through the lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/187 "2023-08-23T19:11:50Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > But Rudy may not pick up the phone and call Donald directly. Any communication between Rudy and any co-defendant must go through the lawyers. Given that some of these lawyers seem to have encouraged false grand jury testimony, it’s not as much of a check on misconduct that your would normally expect. But it’s better than nothing. When I practiced criminal law we had a saying, “If someone goes to jail at the end of the case, it should be your client and not you.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/188 "2023-08-23T19:56:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Given that some of these lawyers seem to have encouraged false grand jury testimony, I think you could just go for it and say “have obviously suborned perjury.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/189 "2023-08-23T20:00:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think you could just go for it and say “have obviously suborned perjury. ” I don’t want to get sued, but that’s a reasonable inference. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/190 "2023-08-23T20:10:32Z")
It sounded like Donald Trump with Rudy’s voice & body at the post press briefing and a trip to the bail bondsman! ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/191 "2023-08-23T20:22:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think his “I’m too poor to afford a lawyer” schtick is bogus and a pile of crap. CNN reported that he flew private into Atlanta this morning. They also wondered how he could afford that and not a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/192 "2023-08-23T20:29:49Z")
> [@xizor](#): > > They also wondered how he could afford that and not a lawyer. He makes it up on volume? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/193 "2023-08-23T20:41:59Z")
He probably got a ride with a friend who was already going that way. It’s like carpooling. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/194 "2023-08-23T20:43:02Z")
Yeah, no reason for that seat to go empty! Right, Clarence? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/195 "2023-08-23T21:11:42Z")
> [@](#): > > After repeated entreaties from people close to Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump plans to host a $100,000-per-person fund-raiser next month at his club in Bedminster, N.J., to aid the former mayor, according to a copy of the invitation. > **[Giuliani Surrenders at Jail in Georgia Election Case](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/us/trump-giuliani-georgia-surrender.html?unlocked_article_code=sHc0WHUJ1LPTZH7M7TwI_oW-rdYP2ddHDhNZRJ2XXR3lOUfodgaBBpWuC11XUzz1MSumtvL-nMKe_-pwtWlznrLFXjpsy0xrkau6UO_UrWJ5M0fcn_BAY9Ugy8R0PQjb0l-RYDvfvwV3-1qyCOjEsdCe_GLwU5PSR9rpPHxoK7RpIfPiR8XOhQWr1FGssIgH7wwuxSBtHYEYPJbjr3pMM8z0gcgb-spKDVfeAEm7Fl1X8ybLFhcHdMh6CbjRhAGRmxYW-YmPNIlDuyBhZPq-Dz-LmFSt-7dIyl4GOUmELGtlxlPG1Q6g5gwNx_f78B-VSqjBJ4sJwKtvWXKwIZxc56Whxg7mZA&smid=url-share)** > > Mr. Giuliani, whose bond was set at $150,000, served as Donald Trump’s personal lawyer in the aftermath of the 2020 election. Another defendant requested a speedy trial on Wednesday. (gift link) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/196 "2023-08-23T21:48:59Z")
What’s this mean? > ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/197 "2023-08-23T22:15:46Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > What’s this mean? That it is hilarious that he has to use a bail bondsman! From crime fighter to guy slinking into a bail bonds outfit because he can’t afford his own bond which doesn’t seem that high. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/198 "2023-08-23T22:17:04Z")
He may just be “playing” broke. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/199 "2023-08-23T22:20:23Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > After repeated entreaties from people close to Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump plans to host a $100,000-per-person fund-raiser next month at his club in Bedminster, N.J., to aid the former mayor, according to a copy of the invitation. My, how convenient for the prosecution. Simply identify everyone who attends or “buys a ticket” but no-shows and you have a total who’s-who of the coup backers. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/200 "2023-08-23T22:20:40Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > From crime fighter to guy slinking into a bail bonds outfit because he can’t afford his own bond which doesn’t seem that high. Good marketing opportunity for Second Chance Bail Bonds. “We’ll bond anyone!” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=11)