# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/301 "2023-09-21T18:32:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > indistinguishable from a Pit thread. Sorry for the vitriol in my contribution, and thanks for the gentle, non-directive, non-scolding tone of your moderation. Much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/302 "2023-09-21T18:58:47Z")
Rudy has issued a denial about the Hutchinson allegation: > [@](#): > > Giuliani addressed the allegations [in an interview](https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/rudy-giuliani-justice-system-merrick-garland/2023/09/20/id/1135306/) Wednesday on Newsmax. > > “First of all, I’m not going to grope someone at all,” he said. “And No. 2, in front of like a hundred people? Plus that day I had extra security, and I had my entire staff around me virtually all day.” > > “There would have been no occasion for this to happen, it’s completely absurd,” he added. [https://thehill.com/homenews/4216297-giuliani-calls-accusation-he-groped-cassidy-hutchinson-totally-absurd/](https://thehill.com/homenews/4216297-giuliani-calls-accusation-he-groped-cassidy-hutchinson-totally-absurd/) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/303 "2023-09-21T19:01:13Z")
More details on the action against him by his former lawyers for unpaid legal bills: > [@](#): > > In mounting the claim for precisely $1,360,196.10 in purportedly unpaid fees, lawyer Robert Costello and the Davidoff Hutcher & Citron law firm recounted some of the services rendered in recent years. According to the complaint: > > > The legal services included, but were not limited to representing the Defendant [Rudy Giuliani] while he was being criminally investigated by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, representing the Defendant during a pending criminal investigation in Georgia by the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office, representing the Defendant during a pending criminal investigation by Special Counsel Jack Smith regarding the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol, and representing the Defendant during a pending investigation by the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol. > > That’s on top of “more than ten civil lawsuits filed against the Defendant that were commenced in various state and federal courts as well as participating in representing the Defendant in disciplinary proceedings regarding his law license in the District of Columbia and the First Department of New York,” according to the New York state court suit. > > It thus serves as a reminder not only of Giuliani’s criminal troubles but civil problems as well. > **[Rudy Giuliani suit over legal fees shows how legally screwed he is](https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/rudy-giuliani-sued-legal-fees-ex-lawyer-rcna105806)** > > The lawsuit filed in New York underscores the former lawman's diverse legal exposure. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/304 "2023-09-21T20:35:00Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Rudy has issued a denial about the Hutchinson allegation: > > > [@](#): > > > > Giuliani addressed the allegations [in an interview](https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/rudy-giuliani-justice-system-merrick-garland/2023/09/20/id/1135306/) Wednesday on Newsmax. > > > > “First of all, I’m not going to grope someone at all,” And yet we have his former assistant, who _recorded_ rudy discussing his groping ways. > **[‘Come Here, Big Tits’: Rudy Giuliani’s Sex Abuse Accuser Has the Tapes](https://www.thedailybeast.com/come-here-big-tits-rudy-giulianis-sex-abuse-accuser-noelle-dunphy-has-the-tapes)** > > “Your tits belong to me. Give them to me,” the former mayor told Noelle Dunphy, according to transcripts filed in court by Dunphy’s lawyers. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > [From Rudy] And No. 2, in front of like a hundred people? Plus that day I had extra security, and I had my entire staff around me virtually all day. I would _love_ for the people around rudy that day to testify to his activities. I suspect the words “sauced” and “shit faced” would be common. (To be clear, the consensus was that he was drunk on _election night_, but I have no reason to believe that January 6 was any different). > **[Watch Rudy Giuliani Get Dunked on Repeatedly in January 6 Hearings](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/watch-rudy-giuliani-get-dunked-on-in-jan-6-hearings.html)** > > Former colleagues said Giuliani was “definitely” inebriated as he urged Trump to declare victory and pushed election lies they all knew were “nuts.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/305 "2023-09-21T20:36:55Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > And yet we have his former assistant, who _recorded_ rudy discussing his groping ways. Perhaps so. I just feel that in a thread I started about Rudy, I should include his disclaimers, out of fairness. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/306 "2023-09-21T22:49:03Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > This is fast becoming indistinguishable from a Pit thread. A quick reminder for those wishing to express themselves beyond the bounds of P&E rules: > [@Gyrate](#): > > A relevant pit thread: [WAY more than you wanted to know about Rudy Giuliani](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/way-more-than-you-wanted-to-know-about-rudy-giuliani/984095) ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/307 "2023-09-21T22:57:14Z")
Rudy Giuliani ordered to be ‘present in person’ for every day of trial. [https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/rudy-giuliani-ordered-to-be-present-in-person-for-every-day-of-trial-to-determine-how-much-he-owes-georgia-election-workers-he-defamed/](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/rudy-giuliani-ordered-to-be-present-in-person-for-every-day-of-trial-to-determine-how-much-he-owes-georgia-election-workers-he-defamed/) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/308 "2023-09-22T10:55:55Z")
Not to mention his cameo in _Borat 2_, which did not paint him in a flattering light. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/309 "2023-09-22T14:01:51Z")
He claimed it was totally innocent. Innocent! > **[Rudy Giuliani faces questions after compromising scene in new Borat film](https://amp.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film)** > > Trump’s personal attorney has indiscreet encounter with actor playing Borat’s daughter in hotel room during pandemic > “I had to take off the electronic equipment,” Giuliani told WABC. “And when the electronic equipment came off, some of it was in the back and my shirt came a little out, although my clothes were entirely on. I leaned back, and I tucked my shirt in, and at that point, at that point, they have this picture they take which looks doctored, but in any event, I’m tucking my shirt in. I assure you that’s all I was doing.” If you watch, that’s not at all what it looks like. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jiH97O542jA/maxresdefault.jpg "Borat 2 Rudy Giuliani Scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiH97O542jA) Given all of the allegations since then, it’s even harder to believe. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/310 "2023-09-23T03:10:23Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Do they even have couches at Mar-a-lago? Not for him. Trump doesn’t like lawyers who lose. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/311 "2023-09-24T18:11:39Z")
I went and tried it, only to find my location wasn’t turned on. So instead, it put me at Wallis and Futuna in the middle of the South Seas Islands. (I swear I’ve never been there, but maybe that’s where my dreams have been taking place? I got nothing) Anyway, I think Giuliani should go down in history as an object lesson taught to kids of what happens to formerly respectable prominent persons when they fall into corruption—what a steep, ugly fall it is. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/312 "2023-09-25T15:29:07Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Anyway, I think Giuliani should go down in history as an object lesson taught to kids of what happens to formerly respectable prominent persons when they fall into corruption—what a steep, ugly fall it is. In the batters box. Lindsey Graham. Well, almost the whole damn line up of the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/313 "2023-09-25T16:33:12Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Lindsey Graham He was respectable at one point? I’m genuinely asking. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/314 "2023-09-25T16:41:20Z")
He seemed to be. He called Trump completely unfit for the office of the President. And then… He’s just another republican windsock. Any which way the wind blows. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/315 "2023-09-25T17:07:07Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > > [@enipla](#): > > > > Lindsey Graham > > He was respectable at one point? I’m genuinely asking. > [@enipla](#): > > He seemed to be. He called Trump completely unfit for the office of the President. And then… > > He’s just another republican windsock. Any which way the wind blows. He’s a remora. He’ll glom onto whichever shark is currently dominant. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/316 "2023-09-25T17:11:24Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > He’s a remora. More like [Salacious B. Crumb](https://www.starwars.com/databank/salacious-crumb) from the Star Wars universe (Jabba’s little cackling buddy). ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/317 "2023-09-25T18:47:44Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > More like [Salacious B. Crumb](https://www.starwars.com/databank/salacious-crumb) from the Star Wars universe (Jabba’s little cackling buddy). Yeah. Perfect. And to think that I actually had a little of respect for Lindsey when he called out Trump for what he is. That was in the Primary’s. This also shows how Trump will do an about face for anyone, as long as you kiss his butt first. But then you have to suck something else. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/318 "2023-09-25T20:40:13Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > In the batters box. Lindsey Graham. Well, almost the whole damn line up of the GOP. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qE8gF-1D5Mg/hqdefault.jpg "Baseball Bugs Conga Line") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE8gF-1D5Mg) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/319 "2023-09-25T22:24:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And to think that I actually had a little of respect for Lindsey when he called out Trump for what he is. That was in the Primary’s. He was critical of Trump as long as he thought Trump had no chance of winning and was going to go away as he had in the past when he’d flirted with trying to seek the nomination. Once Trump became “the guy” he did a complete 180. He’s like that stereotypical character in an 80s film that bullied and/or mocked the protagonist before they did something to become popular, and then starts acting like they’ve always been their friend. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/320 "2023-09-25T22:51:52Z")
And he did the same on January 6. In the votes that night, he said something along the lines of “it’s been a wild ride with Trump, but it’s over”. Then the polling came in, and he’s back to remora status. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=17)