# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/361 "2023-10-04T22:01:09Z")
So Rudy wants to go to court to prove he’s not a liar as claimed. And all the defense has to do is to provide proof of relevant lies. Yeah, this is going to be a quick one. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/362 "2023-10-04T22:01:43Z")
Apparently not. Another lawyer is looking to jump ship. [https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4237845-second-giuliani-lawyer-pushes-to-leave-georgia-legal-team/](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4237845-second-giuliani-lawyer-pushes-to-leave-georgia-legal-team/) ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/363 "2023-10-04T22:21:40Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > He’ll probably have to. He can’t afford a real lawyer. Except he’ll probably be disbarred before the case reaches any kind of court. So he’d wind up with the lawyers not good enough for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/364 "2023-10-04T22:22:45Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Except he’ll probably be disbarred before the case reaches any kind of court. Even disbarred, he can still represent himself. I get feeling that the lawsuit against Biden is some kind of desperation move. Maybe thinks he can negotiate dropping it in exchange for Hunter dropping his suit or something. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/365 "2023-10-04T22:34:47Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Even disbarred, he can still represent himself. Precisely, anyone can represent themselves, though if a person is doing so because they can’t afford an attorney, and it’s a criminal trial, I’ve heard of judges reminding the defendant that a public defender is available and strongly suggesting they take advantage. In a civil case you’re on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/366 "2023-10-04T23:15:18Z")
And he still has to deal with that Staten Island thing. > **[Man sues Giuliani over false arrest after ‘pat’ on back led to assault charge](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/17/rudy-giuliani-lawsuit-daniel-gill-staten-island-store)** > > Daniel Gill seeks monetary damages for assault charges in 2022 after slapping mayor on back and saying: ‘What’s up, scumbag?’ ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/367 "2023-10-05T00:19:38Z")
Thanks for that. I hadn’t heard about that one. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/368 "2023-10-05T10:54:32Z")
> [@susan](#): > > I hope he represents himself. If it gets announced Ima go long in popcorn commodities. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/369 "2023-10-06T17:26:02Z")
Things just keep getting better for him. Now the IRS has placed a lien on his property for $500k of unpaid taxes. > **[Giuliani's Florida condo placed under IRS lien as ex-NYC mayor owes nearly...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-condo-irs-lien/index.html)** > > A property owned by Rudy Giuliani in Palm Beach, Florida, has been placed under a federal tax lien by the Internal Revenue Service as he owes more than a half-million dollars in unpaid income taxes, according to a court filing. What is a little surprising to me is the “relatively” small amounts of money at stake for him in his various problems. $500k to the IRS. $1.5 million to this former lawyers. Don’t get me wrong, that’s bankruptcy level debt to a lot of people, including me, but for someone that is playing in the big leagues, it just doesn’t sound like ruinous numbers. I mean, Trump is hosting $100,000 a plate dinners for him. That should shake loose enough money to get the IRS off his back, shouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/370 "2023-10-06T17:28:29Z")
Doesn’t depend in part on how much of those $100,000 plates fees stick to Trump’s fingers? “Hey, it’s expensive to put on a major dinner at Bedminster! Rudy, your net will be … 10%.”) ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/371 "2023-10-06T17:37:59Z")
Certainly. I just assumed he would be sitting on a dozen advisory boards, or have his own Harlan Crow to bail him out of situations like this. Who knows, with Rudy, this could all be part of the act to show that he can’t possibly pay the attorney’s fees and judgments in the defamation lawsuits against him. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/372 "2023-10-06T17:38:53Z")
I think he’s always thought Trump would be his Harlan Crow. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/373 "2023-10-06T18:04:43Z")
@Northern_Piper is likely correct, he always assumed that Trump would have his back, financially and otherwise, after Rudy became an early and fervent supporter. Which proves Rudy’s judgement has been subpar for quite some time. Financially though, hasn’t he been through the ringer in multiple divorces? > **[Third time was not the charm: Rudy Giuliani’s latest divorce is bitter,...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/third-time-was-not-the-charm-rudy-giulianis-latest-divorce-is-bitter-expensive-and-very-public/2019/10/14/2e028b8a-ec3c-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html)** > > The former mayor’s personal life is also making headlines as the Ukraine impeachment scandal plays out. When you have a habit of switching from an existing spouse to a pre-existing and (often semi-public) lover, you’re not likely to do well in the divorce unless your pre-nup is unspeakably solid. And again… Rudy’s performance as a lawyer is quite suspect. So, while I still think he has funds squirrelled away, possibly a good deal, if he -touches- them while under the lawsuits and scrutiny he is under, they’ll be targeted as well. So, yeah, it’s all sackcloth and ashes right now. Of course, he could have been overconfident enough to never think anything like this would happen to him (despite multiple scandals, divorces, and lawsuits) and NOT set up a secure bank account / resources elsewhere. We’ve all be learning that Rudy, like Trump, was always impressed by his own success and image, far far above and beyond any realities of such. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/374 "2023-10-06T18:07:28Z")
Did his name feature in the Panama Papers at all? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/375 "2023-10-06T18:33:57Z")
In the early 2000’s, I used to work in a storefront business located on the ground floor of Judith Nathan’s apartment building and it was common to see Rudy’s car and driver parked outside while he went upstairs for a quickie. And in other Rudy news, prosecutors are looking into the rumors of his alcoholism, because I guess they think they can poke a few more holes in Trump’s already leaky “I relied on the advice of my lawyer” defense if Trump knew his lawyer was a sloppy falling down drunkard. Gift link [Giuliani’s Drinking Has Trump Prosecutors’ Attention in Federal Election Case - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-drinking.html?unlocked_article_code=dA8UYW_vmNQPG6fMiN4v_idcvxBvp--YPca1tp-gw5f7NJPPLhN7NSeFEBJ-olKusey1wWkYdeR43I-DCNa5QXyEbed4HLbg_7UUjvNmD2_fH4T2vQYB4AhZ4LRy9huGHrCKySY2B7_aF8Zq4FYD2x-FtG8dKXYKWMY59knBZBH68O6-Hi2LJKaj-_lwCuY5Zkff1nD4zVY840Zdr9PzDmJ4wvYRrbV-WQ-VjThChyFBqOqZNA-uBgExcy2vVR6KeGyGl0eEqdP0d7VzwFpPgynK4nTvJNaP3Mzl_OH7A4c2KeFHTf05UoyrpNRX7k9a6wnBRsdZPG-IfZFf1IIcyjlkvd4&smid=url-share) ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/376 "2023-10-06T19:38:11Z")
I can’t imagine a large number of people willing to spoil their appetite to the tune of $100.000. And what good is he to anybody? He’s a late night laughing stock. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/377 "2023-10-14T11:52:20Z")
> **[Judge punishes Rudy Giuliani for flagrant disregard of court orders](https://news.yahoo.com/judge-punishes-rudy-giuliani-flagrant-043332820.html)** > > U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell said jurors at an upcoming trial will be told that the former Trump lawyer intentionally tried to hide financial documents. > [@](#): > > “The jury will be instructed that it must, when determining an appropriate sum of compensatory, presumed, and punitive damages, infer that defendant Giuliani was intentionally trying to hide relevant discovery about the Giuliani Businesses’ finances for the purpose of shielding his assets from discovery and artificially deflating his net worth,” the judge wrote. > > Additionally, Giuliani and his lawyer will be prohibited “from making any argument, or introducing any evidence, stating or suggesting that he is insolvent, bankrupt, judgment proof, or otherwise unable to defend himself” since he failed to hand over evidence that would show that’s true, the judge wrote. He’s so screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/378 "2023-11-04T14:20:27Z")
Rudy is Trump’s friend to the end. That’s…heartwarming? > **[Rudy Tells Trump He'll Go Down With the Ship](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/rudy-giuliani-trump-criminal-1234870163/)** > > Rudy Giuilani has told Donald Trump he will not flip on the former president like other co-defendants in his election interference case in Georgia. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/379 "2023-11-04T14:24:39Z")
tfw someone tells you they’re ride or die, and you’re like, “So, about that second one…” ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/380 "2023-11-04T14:54:21Z")
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