# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/441 "2023-12-14T19:31:19Z")
If they stall for a while, they get a catered lunch. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/442 "2023-12-14T19:51:04Z")
I know it doesn’t work this way, but I have this ongoing fantasy where the jury comes back from deliberations and, in addition to a large monetary award……they tell Guiliani to give them his house keys, then they hand them to Ruby Freeman and her daughter and say….”it’s all yours, along with everything in it”. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/443 "2023-12-14T19:59:02Z")
From ABC’s feed on the trial…. this one caught my eye. _Sibley_ (Guiliani’s lawyer) _called the testimony of Dr. Ashlee Humphreys, who estimated that the cost to repair the reputations of Moss and Freeman is between $17.8 million and $47.4 million, “patently absurd,” especially given that “people who believe this stuff are still going to believe it no matter what.”_ So, is Rudy’s lawyer saying that 47.4 million isn’t enough? > **[Judge blasts Giuliani for 'additional defamatory' remarks](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/giuliani-defamation-trial/judge-blasts-giuliani-for-additional-defamatory-remarks-105581355?id=105479446)** > > Get live updates from the trial of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani for defaming Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Wandrea "Shaye" Moss. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/444 "2023-12-14T20:05:39Z")
I guess the Jury is not allowed to make a recommendation that is outside of purely monetary guidelines for prior statements. Sort of like: “We award 25 million for the defamatory statements. We award a further 15 million for the additional defamatory remarks he made on Monday. We further award them and additional 10 million every time Giuliani makes defamatory remarks from now until the day he dies.” ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/445 "2023-12-14T22:06:38Z")
Yeah, but who pays for disinfecting everything? I wouldn’t step foot in his house otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/446 "2023-12-14T23:15:20Z")
Math is hard. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/447 "2023-12-15T00:27:57Z")
Jury breaks for the night. Back tomorrow. > **[Jury breaks for day in Rudy Giuliani election worker defamation case - UPI.com](https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-decides-not-testify-160435617.html)** > > The jury in the federal civil defamation trial of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani will continue deliberations on Friday after hearing testimony from witnesses in a Washington, D.C., courtroom Thursday. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/448 "2023-12-15T01:14:30Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Rudy will go down with this ship. He won’t put his hands up and surrender. There will be no white flag above his door. He’s in love with Trump and always will be. I just caught up with this thread and saw what you did there 😉. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/449 "2023-12-15T03:49:51Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I just caught up with this thread and saw what you did there 😉. You missed the opportunity to say, “I saw what you Dido there.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/450 "2023-12-15T10:42:07Z")
\< golf clap \> ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/451 "2023-12-15T21:16:23Z")
Jury is coming back to the court room, they have reached a decision. The verdict is in 75 million punitive, 20 million compensatory each and 16 million each in addition. Wow! ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/452 "2023-12-15T21:20:18Z")
Over 100 Million! Holy shit! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/453 "2023-12-15T21:23:08Z")
… and justice is done. Of course there will be appeals and maybe even a reduction in the verdict. But this jury has made clear that people who do this deserve to be punished. Severely. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/454 "2023-12-15T21:28:26Z")
147 million at least. Just wow! He may as well hand over that manhattan residence to ms freeman and ms moss. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/455 "2023-12-15T21:30:37Z")
I just hope he doesn’t find a way to hide too much of it. I hope Ruby and Shaye are having a good day. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/456 "2023-12-15T21:31:54Z")
$148M > **[Jury Orders Giuliani to Pay $148 Million to Election Workers He Defamed](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-damages.html)** > > Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, wrongfully accused by Rudolph W. Giuliani of having tried to steal votes from Donald J. Trump in Georgia, were awarded the damages by a federal court in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/457 "2023-12-15T21:33:10Z")
Even if it’s reduced, this will crush Rudy financially. It’s already widely reported he’s in financial distress, and even if some of that is crying poor mouth / hiding assets, this can’t help but be the nail in the coffin. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/458 "2023-12-15T21:36:30Z")
I agree with every word you said. And he’s already out blathering about how he’s going to prevail on appeal and and and – Just shut up, Rudy. LOL, there’s a guy standing behind Rudy with a sign that says, “Big Lie!” ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/459 "2023-12-15T21:37:18Z")
With these judgements (c.f. Alex Jones) to whom does it fall to find the assets? As I understand it neither of them complied with financial discovery. Of course the 2 plaintiffs could sell the debt to the nastiest collector they could find for 20 cents on the dollar and be just fine (financially. They’ll never be _fine_ fine). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/460 "2023-12-15T21:46:01Z")
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