# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/481 "2023-12-16T02:36:34Z")
I don’t do debt collection, but when you do the bar course, they drill the basics into you. That’s bread and butter for a lot of firms. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/482 "2023-12-16T03:03:03Z")
I look forward to these proceeds, to put it mildly. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/483 "2023-12-16T03:28:38Z")
Andrew Giuliani had to do the “Rudy Giuliani Show” podcast on WABCradio today. We were assured Rudy would be back within a week… or so. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/484 "2023-12-16T09:00:17Z")
His kids and ex wives must be thrilled. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/485 "2023-12-16T09:41:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I don’t do debt collection, but when you do the bar course, they drill the basics into you. That’s bread and butter for a lot of firms. As a lawyer, I have to say—I hate doing collections. They are soul-sucking things that I had to learn to do as an articling student. And I did them, over and over and over, because the senior partners said I had to, and they let me do little else. Bread and butter indeed; collections are most definitely _not_ why I got into law. I hated them. But I learned them. I don’t practice in the US, but I imagine that things are much the same: get a judgment, which allows you to get a writ, which allows you to move against bank accounts and salary. It also allows you to get a civil enforcement agency to move against—that is, seize—physical assets (real property and chattels, such as cars). And if the debt isn’t satisfied; well, as long as you renew the writ (necessary every two years in my jurisdiction), you can keep chasing the amount owing. The judgment lasts for ten years, renewable for another ten (again, in my jurisdiction). And as long as you have a live judgment, you can get a writ. There are exception allowances for the losing debtor to keep some things, mainly so the debtor can at least keep going on. And obligations to ex-wives and kids must continue to be fulfilled. The plaintiff’s lawyers and bailiffs will always be alert to fraudulent preferences, so Rudy better govern himself accordingly. Rudy, you’ll have to give them everything you have now (allowing for exceptions), and realize that whatever you make for the next twenty years, even from a lemonade stand, that a portion of that will go to satisfy the judgment. Like I said, I am a lawyer, but I am not an American one. Things may be different in Rudy’s jurisdiction. But I am sure that they are no less harsh than in mine. He’s in a world of hurt, if he’s not already there. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/486 "2023-12-16T11:28:05Z")
Does the fact that this news warms my heart make me a bad person? Also, this is civil, so a Trump president wouldn’t be able to do anything, right? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/487 "2023-12-16T11:47:28Z")
That’s a question for an American lawyer. I wouldn’t have thought do, but it is a decision of the federal courts. Does the prez have any power there? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/488 "2023-12-16T12:05:36Z")
Presidential pardon power is only for federal criminal offenses. It does not extend to civil cases. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/489 "2023-12-16T12:19:20Z")
Danke. I didn’t think so, but wanted to check. Of course, Trump could pay all of these damages, but that seems….unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/490 "2023-12-16T12:22:21Z")
Trump didn’t kick in for Rudy’s legal bills. No way he’ll pay the judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/491 "2023-12-16T12:26:28Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Rudy, you’ll have to give them everything you have now (allowing for exceptions), and realize that whatever you make for the next twenty years, even from a lemonade stand, that a portion of that will go to satisfy the judgment. Rudy is 79. I don’t think he’s got 20 years of income producing years ahead of him. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/492 "2023-12-16T12:29:58Z")
CBS article suggests his net worth is under $50 million. > **[What is Rudy Giuliani's net worth in 2023? Here's a look into his assets amid...](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/rudy-giuliani-net-worth/)** > > Giuliani was once worth more than $50 million, but his attorney has argued the defamation case "will be the end" of him financially. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/493 "2023-12-16T12:39:57Z")
Oh no. How sad. Anyway, how about them Eagles? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/494 "2023-12-16T13:33:50Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > His kids and ex wives must be thrilled. And his cousins! (Oh wait…same group) > **[PolitiFact - Giuliani's first wife was his second cousin](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2007/sep/06/obama-girl/giulianis-first-wife-was-his-second-cousin/)** > > A wildly popular YouTube video featuring a scantily clad "Obama Girl" -- with no connection to Barack Obama's campaign - ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/495 "2023-12-16T13:39:20Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > I like it when a _real_ lawyer steps in and confirms that this shitstain is really fucked. It’s subject to appeal, of course. Whether he has any reasonable chance of reducing the award? I dunno. See comments earlier on from @Procrustus, who practices in the federal courts. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/496 "2023-12-16T13:51:04Z")
Well of course - he used to live in a town named for the famous cousin-marrier, [Shelbyville Manhattan](https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Shelbyville_Manhattan) ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/497 "2023-12-16T13:57:04Z")
The horrible fucking thing is that if Trump can regain office then little rules like that could become irrelevent. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/498 "2023-12-16T14:27:12Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > There are exception allowances for the losing debtor to keep some things, mainly so the debtor can at least keep going on. And obligations to ex-wives and kids must continue to be fulfilled. Do we know if Rudy still has outstanding debts owed to his exes? A thorough trawl through his assets by a serious player for the plaintiffs here could presumably result in the exes getting paid as well. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/499 "2023-12-16T14:34:39Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I know, I can’t stop humming this: > [The Specials - A message to you Rudy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mfFTCgzrU8) > > _"Stop your fooling around,_ > _Time to straighten right out._ > _Better think of your future_ > _Else you’ll wind up in jail._ > _Rudy,_ > _A message to you, Rudy,"_ You are not the only one. mmm ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/500 "2023-12-16T15:04:06Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s subject to appeal, of course. Doesn’t he have to put up a bond in order to appeal? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=26)