# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/501 "2023-12-16T15:04:42Z")
Opening line to _Rudy_ by Supertramp: Rudy’s on a train to nowhere, halfway down the line He don’t want to get there, but he needs time ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/502 "2023-12-16T15:15:37Z")
It’s so unfair. If these two take all he has, what will be left for Dominion? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/503 "2023-12-16T15:23:01Z")
[cough]and **[Smartmatic](https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/12/15/rudy-giulianis-finances-what-to-know-about-attorneys-money-troubles-after-defamation-trial-jury-forces-him-to-pay-148-million/)**[cough, cough] ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/504 "2023-12-16T15:49:48Z")
I will always admire Rudy’s calm response to the horrors 9/11 and the days afterwards. Americans needed to be reassured by his stoicism and determination. I’ve read his alcoholism is bad. Running in Trumps circles and breathing the orange gas didn’t help. Rudy’s a sad clown now. I remember a couple years ago their was a photo of him with smeared tv makeup ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/505 "2023-12-16T15:52:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Rudy’s a sad clown now. see post 435 above. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/506 "2023-12-16T15:55:07Z")
Yep, LOL ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/507 "2023-12-16T17:43:00Z")
Sad _broke_ clown. Rudy, kiss your money goodbye, you racist fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/508 "2023-12-16T17:46:56Z")
Sad broke clown who is facing a criminal trial next year that may put him in prison for the next 5-10 years. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/509 "2023-12-16T18:24:43Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I don’t practice in the US, but I imagine that things are much the same: get a judgment, which allows you to get a writ, which allows you to move against bank accounts and salary. It also allows you to get a civil enforcement agency to move against—that is, seize—physical assets (real property and chattels, such as cars). For less than a year a quarter of a century ago I had the misfortune of doing collections (and bankruptcy - what fun!) At the time it amazed me the lengths certain persons went to to successfully insulate themselves from collection on judgments. Oh - the company bears YOUR name, you live in a mansion and drive a fancy car, send your kids to private schools, but actually everything is legally in YOUR SPOUSE’S name? 🙄 One I remember was when I got a judgment against a well known Houston Oiler. At the time (no idea whether still) Texas did not allow you to garnish wages or file a lien against a primary residence. Every Monday I’d have that client calling me saying, “I saw that fucker on TV again yesterday. When are you going to get me my money?!” 😃 (To the player’s credit - he eventually paid the judgment, even though he was pretty effectively insulated against it.) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/510 "2023-12-16T18:42:37Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Rudy, you’ll have to give them everything you have now (allowing for exceptions), and realize that whatever you make for the next twenty years, even from a lemonade stand, that a portion of that will go to satisfy the judgment. Unfortunately, IIRC the maximum garnishment (is that a word?) is 10%. I think the plaintiffs will have to be satisfied that for the rest of his life, Rudy will be seeing that deduction in whatever he earns and think back in why it is there. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/511 "2023-12-16T18:49:46Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Doesn’t he have to put up a bond in order to appeal? I dunno. I know that applies in some situations in the US court system, but I’m not familiar with where, when or how. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/512 "2023-12-16T18:53:57Z")
This quote from Rudy in this Talking Points Memo article caught my eye: [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jury-holds-rudy-liable-for-tk-for-defaming-election-workers-freeman-and-moss](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jury-holds-rudy-liable-for-tk-for-defaming-election-workers-freeman-and-moss) > The absurdity of the amount is indicative of the absurdity and unfairness of the entire proceeding. It bore no resemblance to a trial in a country with the rule of law. **I wasn’t able to offer any evidence in my defense.** Funny, I kind of remember Rudy _actively avoiding_ presenting any evidence, especially during discovery. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/513 "2023-12-16T18:56:34Z")
He fails to mention he wasn’t able to offer any evidence in his defense because _there wasn’t any_. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/514 "2023-12-16T18:58:52Z")
And decided at the last minute not to testify. But yes, the courts have abandoned the rule of law in their insane persecution of Rudy and poor Donald. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/515 "2023-12-16T19:15:47Z")
Clearly I am not a lawyer - but I think in Georgia its a ’ Supersedeas bond’ – > **[2022 Georgia Code :: Title 5 - Appeal and Error :: Chapter 6 - Certiorari and...](https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-5/chapter-6/article-2/section-5-6-46/)** > > Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes ---
**Author:** ![anny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anny\_m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anny_m)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/516 "2023-12-17T00:23:21Z")
Doesn’t Rudy also owe his lawyers a lot of money? I have the impression that his lawyers would have first dibs on whatever assets he has. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/517 "2023-12-17T01:12:28Z")
[Everything you always wanted to know about bankruptcy.](https://www.findlaw.com/bankruptcy/what-is-bankruptcy/ask-a-lawyer--can-bankruptcy-clear-lawsuit-judgments-.html) A couple of points to consider: Not all debts can be discharged by bankruptcy, including those owing on a judgment for “willful or malicious injury”. Also, secured creditors, like banks who’ve loaned money, get paid before unsecured creditors, which I suspect is how lawyers’ fees would be classified. ETA: I’m not a lawyer and would welcome correction from any of our legal eagles if I’ve erred. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/518 "2023-12-17T16:51:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I will always admire Rudy’s calm response to the horrors 9/11 and the days afterwards. That wasn’t calm. It was befuddlement. See, he couldn’t exactly be _active_ in his response, since he decided to house his emergency response command center _at_ the World Trade Center. > [@](#): > > The New York Police Department produced a detailed analysis in 1998 opposing plans by the city to locate its emergency command center at the World Trade Center, but the Giuliani administration overrode those objections. The command center later collapsed from damage in the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. > > “Seven World Trade Center is a poor choice for the site of a crucial command center for the top leadership of the City of New York,” a panel of police experts, which was aided by the Secret Service, concluded in a confidential Police Department memorandum. > **[Memo Details Objections to Command Center Site (Published 2008)](https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/us/politics/26emergency.html)** > > The New York Police Department produced a detailed analysis, not previously disclosed, opposing plans by the city to locate its emergency command center at the World Trade Center. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/519 "2023-12-17T16:55:37Z")
D’oh. They messed that one up. I remember reports Rudy and his staff were sheltering in a building entrance when debris from the Trade Center fell on it. No one got hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/520 "2023-12-17T17:04:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > D’oh. They messed that one up. Quite. But, in fairness to rudy, it’s not like anybody could have ever imagined that terrorists would select the World Trade Center as a target. > **[1993 World Trade Center bombing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing)** > > The 1993 World Trade Center bombing was a terrorist attack carried out on February 26, 1993, when a van bomb detonated below the North Tower of the World Trade Center complex in New York City. The 1,336 lb (606 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device was intended to send the North Tower crashing into its twin, the South Tower, taking down both skyscrapers and killing tens of thousands of people. While it failed to do so, it killed six people, including a pregnant woman, and caused ove The... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=27)