# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/541 "2023-12-18T02:25:33Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m beginning to suspect early dementia. When you’re 79, I’m not sure if it makes sense to call it “early dementia”, but then, I’m not a gerontologist. Scotch-induced dementia, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/542 "2023-12-18T02:33:32Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ammon Bundy transfered ownership (“sell”, in air quotes) his house in order to keep it out of the hands of ths hospital that sued him, but a court voided the sale. This is what @Spoons was mentioning upthread: > [@Spoons](#): > > The plaintiff’s lawyers and bailiffs will always be alert to fraudulent preferences, so Rudy better govern himself accordingly. In Canada, we call it a “fraudulent preference” when a person transfers title to an asset to try to shield it from a creditor. Dunno if that’s what it’s called down south, but it’s the same concept: you owe money on a judgment, you can’t just transfer title to your assets and be free and clear. (that’s a different scenario than the one @Dinsdale mentioned, where the judgment debtor did not have anything in his name **prior** to the law suit. It’s the transferring an asset out of your name to avoid the judgment that is considered a “fraudulent preference”. In Canada, at least.) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/543 "2023-12-18T03:21:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > When you’re 79, I’m not sure if it makes sense to call it “early dementia”, but then, I’m not a gerontologist. I’m not a gerontologist but I don’t think you have to be to look it up. Dementia is not a normal or inevitable part of aging, but generally it’s exceedingly rare before age 65. I’d say any time it sets in after that age it’s not “early”. It’s slightly more common among women than men. The likelihood goes up the older you get, but even at age 90 only 20% of men are affected on average. [![](https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/76/suppl_5/v2/F2.large.jpg) ](https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/jnnp/76/suppl_5/v2/F2.large.jpg) From here: > **[Epidemiology and risk factors of dementia](https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/76/suppl_5/v2)** > > Dementia refers to a syndrome that is characterised by progressive deterioration of cognitive functions. Neuropsychiatric symptoms, such as apathy, agitation, and depression, are also common. With increasing loss of function, a patient is gradually... ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/544 "2023-12-18T03:24:23Z")
Thanks for that. Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/545 "2023-12-18T03:41:06Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > When I went back to Reagan National Airport for my flight home, they had “Giuliani for President” t-shirts on sale for $1. Okay, what’s the betting line on the price of a **RAMASWAMY '24** t-shirt after Iowa? Or **Better ASA Than ADA** (have we forgotten Asa Hutchinson already?). Or the **RFK jr** “muscle shirt” tank top? And when does the price nosedive on the SDMB t-shirt? The one that reads **FLORIDA MAN is a RON**! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/546 "2023-12-18T06:50:23Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > There is a whole “pwn the libs” scenario going on with Rudy, the Republicans get a big kick out of pretending he’s normal even though he’s obviously insane and deep in the throes of a dementia caused by the confluence of alcohol and right-wing media I’m skeptical that he’s legitimately _that_ far gone. There’s still a discernible difference between his lunatic media persona and his behavior inside the courtroom. To whatever extent he actually believes his own ranting for the TV cameras, he knows that shit won’t fly in front of a judge, and he reins it in. That’s a pretty strong indicator that he still has something like a partial handle on reality, or at least a recognition of the risk of consequences. If he cracks and throws a shoe at the bench or something, then I’ll buy that he’s lost it. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/547 "2023-12-18T10:44:51Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Okay, what’s the betting line on the price of a **RAMASWAMY '24** t-shirt after Iowa? You know, I would wear a tee like that if there was no chance anyone would think it was sincere, as opposed to mocking. But, of course, we don’t live in that universe. But if I wore it to a party with my closest friends, they’d think it was hilarious. So maybe I’d pay a buck to a street vendor. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/548 "2023-12-18T17:53:37Z")
You could always turn it inside out for public wear. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/549 "2023-12-18T18:54:40Z")
True! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/550 "2023-12-18T21:32:55Z")
Sad Trombone sound: > Article: [https://www.meidastouch.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hit-with-another-defamation-complaint](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hit-with-another-defamation-complaint) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/551 "2023-12-18T21:42:09Z")
To be fair, they’re almost certainly not going to get the full amount that was decided in the judgement from the case, so there’s not going to be anymore coming from another lawsuit. Rudy pretty much has nothing to lose at this point. But it’s still somewhat of a facepalm moment anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/552 "2023-12-18T21:43:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > To be fair, they’re almost certainly not going to get the full amount that was decided in the judgement from the case, so there’s not going to be anymore coming from another lawsuit. Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss know this. I admire them all the more for suing Rudy just on the principle of the thing. Giuliani is such a toad. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/553 "2023-12-18T21:45:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss know this. I admire them all the more for suing Rudy just on the principle of the thing. These are just ordinary citizens, volunteers who dedicated their time to help the election process, and were put through Hell for it. And now they’re putting themselves through another round of this stuff without getting any money from it because **it’s the right thing to do**. They’re damn heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/554 "2023-12-18T21:48:16Z")
They are. And even knowing what they’re going to face for doing it, they understand how important it is. I hope any other election worker whose reputation and name was sullied with all this garbage will do the same. It could have been any of us anywhere who work(ed) elections. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/555 "2023-12-18T21:51:08Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Rudy pretty much has nothing to lose at this point. So if he’s got nothing to lose, and he just keeps defaming these women… Can there be any legal repercussions that result in jail time for him? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/556 "2023-12-18T21:51:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So if he’s got nothing to lose, and he just keeps defaming these women… > > Can there be any legal repercussions that result in jail time for him? I was about to post the same thing. Something doesn’t seem right about the idea that all they can do is sue him forever and he can shrug and pull his empty pockets out of his soiled trousers. Could there be a point where it becomes criminal harassment? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/557 "2023-12-18T21:52:40Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Could there be a point where it becomes criminal harassment? That’s what I was thinking. Is that what this new case his hoping to lead to? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/558 "2023-12-18T21:59:42Z")
From CNN: > Their new lawsuit seeks a permanent injunction from the federal court in Washington, DC, to be placed on Giuliani that would prohibit him “from making or publishing, or causing to be made or published, further statements repeating any and all false claims” that the mother and daughter during the 2020 election ballot counting “engaged in election fraud, illegal activity or misconduct of any kind,” according to the filing. Presumably if this is successful and injunction from the federal court would include the specific penalties that would be imposed if Giuliani continues his campaign of defamation. And I hope this would include jail time. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/559 "2023-12-18T22:08:55Z")
God knows people go to jail all the time for lesser offenses in this country. He should be jailed, but sadly, this American will believe it when he sees it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/560 "2023-12-18T23:17:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Sad Trombone sound: > “definitively clear that what I said was true” > “everything I said about them is true” > “I told the truth. They were engaged in changing votes.” I think Rudy has made his appellate lawyers’ task more difficult with his statements. As I understand it from news reports (no cite, sorry), their plan was to appeal the defamation case on the basis that Rudy’s comments were all just opinion. Now he’s said it was the truth. That’s him asserting that he was making statements of fact, not just giving his opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=29)