# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/561 "2023-12-18T23:58:10Z")
He said he had proof “Stay tuned”. Same bat-time same bat-channel. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/562 "2023-12-19T00:30:33Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Now he’s said it was the truth. That’s him asserting that he was making statements of fact, not just giving his opinion. I’m going on record as predicting that this will be a part of his eventual defense strategy: > **[Rudy Giuliani Stuns Politicians And Philosophers With 'Truth Isn't Truth'...](https://www.npr.org/2018/08/20/640329279/rudy-giuliani-stuns-politicians-and-philosophers-with-truth-isn-t-truth-stateme)** > > President Trump's lawyer created waves on Meet The Press Sunday by insisting there are situations where there is no such thing as "the truth." > GIULIANI: No, it isn’t truth. Truth isn’t truth. Solid gold. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/563 "2023-12-19T01:02:22Z")
I can sure see how somebody who spent the last 20-30 years stewing in, and actively helping to create, the vast RW propaganda distortion field would subscribe sincerely to that outlook. They’d be factually wrong, but they’d be most sincerely factually wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/564 "2023-12-19T01:29:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I think Rudy has made his appellate lawyers’ task more difficult with his statements. As I understand it from news reports (no cite, sorry), their plan was to appeal the defamation case on the basis that Rudy’s comments were all just opinion. > > Now he’s said it was the truth. That’s him asserting that he was making statements of fact, not just giving his opinion. Technically, the appellate court shouldn’t consider the statements made outside of court and focus just what’s in the trial record. Maybe the new complaint filed is an attempt to get those statements into the record before a final judgment is entered. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/565 "2023-12-19T01:33:42Z")
Can you not make a motion for fresh evidence on appeal? Especially if it is directly contradictory to the argument being advanced in the appeal? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/566 "2023-12-19T02:10:28Z")
You cannot. The appeal is based exclusively on the District Court record. There are probably obscure exceptions, not applicable here ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/567 "2023-12-19T02:20:33Z")
Ah. That’s a different system than I’m used to. Thanks. Speculation withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/568 "2023-12-19T03:23:32Z")
Does the federal courthouse in DC have revolving doors? [Looks like they’re needed](https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-election-workers-file-complaint-212400863.html): > Three days after winning an award of [$148 million in damages](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-verdict-defamation-trial-georgia-election-workers/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) in their defamation case against former New York City Mayor [Rudy Giuliani](https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Rudy%20Giuliani), Georgia election workers Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss have filed a new complaint alleging he continues to make false claims about them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/569 "2023-12-19T03:33:51Z")
Pssst… > [@A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/550): > > Sad Trombone sound: Article: [https://www.meidastouch.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hit-with-another-defamation-complaint](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/rudy-giuliani-hit-with-another-defamation-complaint) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/570 "2023-12-19T04:12:46Z")
Haha! That’s what I get for forgetting about the time difference. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/571 "2023-12-19T04:41:18Z")
It’s news so nice it deserves to be posted twice! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/572 "2023-12-19T10:28:15Z")
Now I’m imagining Rudy stuck in revolving doors. Very slapstick. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/573 "2023-12-19T14:24:45Z")
Sped up, with Yakety Sax playing in the background? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/574 "2023-12-19T14:42:10Z")
As long as each time the door goes around, somebody extracts another $1M from Rudy, I’m happy. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/575 "2023-12-19T17:23:42Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Sped up, with Yakety Sax playing in the background? And being chased by judges in robes carrying oversized rubber gavels. That’s how I always picture it. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/576 "2023-12-19T19:43:13Z")
Rudy reportedly makes $400,000 per year from a radio show. He’s been marinated in the crazy for decades. Once you let go of social convention, I suspect it’s liberating in its own way. Sure, Rudy is headed to bankruptcy and jail. But he always has a MAGA audience to pander and milk. Rudy was reportedly devastated by his 2008 loss for the GOP nomination for the Presidency: he nursed his wounded ego in Mar a Largo, self medicated with copious amounts of legal substance. Friends and associates noted that he missed the cameras and being the center of attention: he used to wander around certain upscale New York drinking holes hoping someone would recognize him. MAGA met his cravings. So his pre-2016 behavior is in accord with his post-2016 behavior. What puzzles me was his never ending decent into farce after 2008. This guy once took down the mob! ETA: TPM: " If you add the $148 million in this case to the $700 million in the Fox settlement with Dominion Voting System, the total so far in Big Lie defamation damages is close to $1 _billion_, with Smartmatic’s big defamation case against Fox still pending." ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/577 "2023-12-19T20:16:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And being chased by judges in robes carrying oversized rubber gavels. That’s how I always picture it. Don’t forget those big guys dressed in white with large nets. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/578 "2023-12-19T20:54:56Z")
They’re probably younger than most judges, so would probably win the “Get Rudy!” contest. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/579 "2023-12-19T22:39:31Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Rudy reportedly makes $400,000 per year from a radio show. If that’s true I’m impressed. I listen to his drivel (for entertainment purposes only). He interviews people like Jeanine Pirro, Brian Kilmeade and Bill O’Reilly. It’s a right wing circle jerk. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/580 "2023-12-20T22:57:51Z")
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