# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/581 "2023-12-20T23:09:47Z")
Wow. Things are not going well for Giuliani. Hopefully the money will start to flow quickly. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/582 "2023-12-20T23:16:06Z")
Countdown to an ([almost certainly doomed](https://www.salon.com/2023/12/18/experts-have-news-for-cash-strapped-giuliani-even-bankruptcy-cant-save-him-from-148m-verdict/)) effort to declare bankruptcy to dodge and delay his obligations (a la Alex Jones) in 3…2…1… ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/583 "2023-12-20T23:46:47Z")
What happens if he doesn’t pay? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/584 "2023-12-20T23:53:07Z")
He can try to get it discharged in bankruptcy. If he doesn’t do that, he’ll be subject to people seizing his assets such as bank accounts, or putting liens on his property. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/585 "2023-12-20T23:57:09Z")
Which is (schadenfreude territory) going to make it really hard to afford a good defense from his second defamation trial for the same subjects. I look forward to Rudy defending himself while he does his preparation from a park bench. (Yes, I know his home state laws will likely protect his home, but let me enjoy the image at least!) ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/586 "2023-12-21T00:05:04Z")
Courtesy of the Elder Ottlet: > “Alexa, how much is Rudy Giuliani worth?” > “Rudy Giuliani is worth approximately minus one hundred fifty million US dollars.” 😁 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/587 "2023-12-21T00:36:07Z")
You know he has a stash of hair dye and booze. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/588 "2023-12-21T02:29:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Giuliani has called the size of the verdict “[absurd](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-hit-148m-verdict-defaming-two-georgia-election-workers-rcna129807).” You know, if you ceaselessly spew absurd bullshit, you can expect “absurdly” high judgements. > [@Procrustus](#): > > He can try to get it discharged in bankruptcy. Really? I understood that bankrupture could not serve to discharge a judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/589 "2023-12-21T02:38:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You know, if you ceaselessly spew absurd bullshit, you can expect “absurdly” high judgements. I was thinking more along the lines of, “Rudy, if you didn’t want to win stupid prizes, you should never have played stupid games.” Which means pretty much the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/590 "2023-12-21T02:39:21Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > He can try to get it discharged in bankruptcy. > > Really? I understood that bankrupture could not serve to discharge a judgement. I thought this as well. Any Law-talking people can confirm this? Can the plaintiffs sell the debt to a really mean, mean company for 10 cents on the dollar, and let them go after Giuliani as hard as they can? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/591 "2023-12-21T02:46:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > He can try to get it discharged in bankruptcy. > > Really? I understood that bankrupture could not serve to discharge a judgement. My understanding is that some judgements can be discharged by bunkruptcy, but not if they’re the result of malicious actions by the bankruptee. Or something along those lines, I’m probably using the wrong term there. Anyway, what that means is that the $148M judgement is not dischargeable. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/592 "2023-12-21T02:47:57Z")
If the Court gets any pushback, it seems reasonable to jail him until the victors are paid or until Rudy’s bankruptcy process that stymies payment is complete. Which usually takes a few months to a couple years. The more complicated the stuff, the longer it takes. Might be awhile; I hear the courts are understaffed and overworked these days. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/593 "2023-12-21T04:20:58Z")
Seems too early. There will be an appeal to process. I guess it sells news until the appeal paperwork gets filed in court. > **[Judge orders Rudy Giuliani to start paying Georgia election workers $146 million](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-orders-rudy-giuliani-start-paying-georgia-election-workers-146-m-rcna130719)** > > U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell lifted a 30-day pause on collecting the judgment because of the plaintiffs' concerns he'd try to hide his assets. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/594 "2023-12-21T04:51:12Z")
I don’t think Rudy will be able to appeal, because he’d have to post a $146 million dollar bond to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/595 "2023-12-21T04:55:12Z")
The bond isn’t required for an appeal, but is required to stop execution on the judgment ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/596 "2023-12-21T05:26:32Z")
Interesting. I’d bet a certain orange guy is ducking Rudy’s calls. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/597 "2023-12-21T06:49:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Can the plaintiffs sell the debt to a really mean, mean company for 10 cents on the dollar, and let them go after Giuliani as hard as they can? This is my question. If I’m these election workers, I don’t want to keep grinding through the unpleasantness of extracting payments from Giuliani one at a time, legal action by legal action. I’d be perfectly happy broadcasting an offer to the nastiest, most vicious collections specialists in the country, letting them bid on whatever seven-figure balloon payment they’re willing to spend to take over my interest in the full amount, and then just taking the money and letting them do their worst. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/598 "2023-12-21T07:04:14Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’d bet a certain orange guy is ducking Rudy’s calls. “‘Rudy Giuliani’? Doesn’t sound familiar. Maybe he brought me coffee once, I dunno.” But I think you’re onto something. Rudy’s done so much for Trump, that he feels he can call Trump, and Trump will make sure that everything will be made right. So, I have no doubt that Rudy is calling Trump every chance he gets. But, I’m equally sure that Trump has instructed whoever fields his calls that if Rudy calls, then Trump is not in, or he’s in a meeting, or any of those excuses that assistants use when the boss doesn’t want to take a call. Remember, loyalty is a one-way street with Trump. You’re loyal to him. He doesn’t have to be loyal to you. Rudy is learning a very expensive lesson the hard way. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/599 "2023-12-21T07:11:04Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > If I’m these election workers, I don’t want to keep grinding through the unpleasantness of extracting payments from Giuliani one at a time, legal action by legal action. It should be noted that the latest lawsuit against Rudy is to shut him up, not to extract more money. They already have a judgement for far more than he’s worth, so there’s no point in trying to get more. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/600 "2023-12-21T07:16:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > > > He can try to get it discharged in bankruptcy. > > > > Really? I understood that bankrupture could not serve to discharge a judgement. > > I thought this as well. Any Law-talking people can confirm this? Can the plaintiffs sell the debt to a really mean, mean company for 10 cents on the dollar, and let them go after Giuliani as hard as they can? Heh. I can just see the commercial with the women singing the J.G. Wentworth jingle… ETA: and then I can see the Wentworth rep who bought the judgment standing in an unemployment line. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=31)