# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/121 "2023-08-16T17:21:53Z")
If he’s truly going broke over his legal fees, maybe he’ll qualify for a public defender. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/122 "2023-08-16T17:37:21Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Says he has to sell an apartment in NY for $6 million (asking price). Admitted he made the statements alleged to be defamatory in one action, to cut down litigation costs. Having trouble paying a huge monthly bill of $20,000 for e-storage of his files, which he needs to mount his defences. When I see that someone like Giuliani is grossly overpaying for something, I suspect a tax dodge. Is it a legitimate business expense, or is he somehow funneling the money back to himself while deducting it from his taxes? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/123 "2023-08-16T17:43:01Z")
Likely storing them in his bathroom - he heard somehwere that was a good place to store stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/124 "2023-08-16T19:01:42Z")
My guess is that the $20,000 isn’t just for storage but for the license to an electronic discovery system. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/125 "2023-08-16T20:31:03Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Here’s the article about Trump not paying Rudy: > > [https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/15/trump-alleged-co-conspirators-never-got-paid-by-trump-team.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/15/trump-alleged-co-conspirators-never-got-paid-by-trump-team.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > Trump and Giuliani had a handshake agreement that Giuliani and his team would get paid by the Trump political operation for their post-election work, according to Timothy Parlatore, an attorney for longtime Giuliani ally Bernard Kerik. > > > > But the Trump campaign and its affiliated committees ultimately did not honor that pledge, according to campaign finance records. The records show that Giuliani’s companies were only reimbursed for travel and not the $20,000 a day he requested to be paid. > > > > Parlatore also told CNBC that the Giuliani operation was never compensated for its work. According to Parlatore, the failure to pay Giuliani and his team came up last week in a private interview between prosecutors on special counsel Jack Smith’s team and Kerik, a member of Giuliani’s team in late 2020. > > … > > Trump has a long history of not paying his bills. But the revelation that he likely stiffed Giuliani, a longtime friend, is all the more striking given that much of the work Giuliani did for the Trump operation is detailed in a sprawling RICO indictment in Georgia released Monday, in which Giuliani is a co-defendant alongside Trump and 17 other people. > > Everything Trump touches dies. Remember, Rudy allegedly had his own “handshake agreement” to pay a female “political consultant” a million dollars a year to make his daily liquor store runs and give him blowjobs. So, paying it forward, Trump style…. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/126 "2023-08-16T20:44:57Z")
I read the other day that Trump claimed that Rudy got stiffed on legal fees because he failed to deliver on his commitments; to wit, he failed to successfully steal the election. “Failing to deliver on promises” is of course Trump’s standard lifelong excuse for stiffing everybody, although apparently it doesn’t apply to Trump himself. Ironically, now that Rudy has been charged with serious crimes for these acts, Trump also has no intention of paying Rudy’s legal fees either. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/127 "2023-08-16T22:16:46Z")
At this point, why in Ghod’s name would Rudy NOT flip on Trump? (Answering myself: Prosecutors would probably not even offer him a deal, because he’d be a hot mess on the witness stand) ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/128 "2023-08-16T23:57:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > At this point, why in Ghod’s name would Rudy NOT flip on Trump? He also could be afraid of Trump, or at least afraid of the MAGA hat crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/129 "2023-08-17T00:30:01Z")
It would be incredibly entertaining if Rudy decides to represent himself at trial. Then after his inevitable conviction, he could appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel, claiming his lawyer was drunk during the entire trial. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/130 "2023-08-17T01:59:33Z")
I wonder if Rudy’s delusional personal secretary will get anything before all the trials bleed him dry. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/131 "2023-08-17T02:22:49Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It would be incredibly entertaining if Rudy decides to represent himself at trial. > > Then after his inevitable conviction, he could appeal on the grounds of ineffective counsel, claiming his lawyer was drunk during the entire trial. - With his luck, his lawyer will file at a local racquetball court. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/132 "2023-08-17T02:42:47Z")
“My client pleads Not Guilty!” “Sir, this is the food court.” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/133 "2023-08-17T03:01:16Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Well, the warning is a little late, but… [I told him years ago.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/election-day-week-month-s-year-2020-follow-along-thread/924618/6049) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/134 "2023-08-17T03:02:18Z")
> **[Rudy Giuliani made desperate appeal to Trump to pay his legal bills in...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/16/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-bills/index.html)** > > With his attorney in tow, Rudy Giuliani traveled to Mar-a-Lago in recent months on a mission to make a personal and desperate appeal to former President Donald Trump to pay his legal bills. By going in person, a source familiar with the matter told... ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/135 "2023-08-17T03:17:00Z")
And yet, he didn’t listen! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/136 "2023-08-17T03:19:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > My guess is that the $20,000 isn’t just for storage but for the license to an electronic discovery system. Good guess. It’s apparently being paid to **[Trustpoint.One](https://trustpoint.one/)**, which bills themselves as an “integrated legal services provider … [addressing] the entire litigation life cycle”. I don’t know what the buzzwords mean, except that Rudy obviously knew for quite some time that he was in deep trouble with the law. Mainly because – to put it plainly – that he knew that many of the things he was doing for the Orange Menace were flagrantly illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/137 "2023-08-17T12:29:45Z")
Of course they knew everything that they were doing was totally illegal. They were just all convinced that if they did this for Trump, he’d pardon them all before he left office. And then he didn’t because he was mad that they failed. Trump doesn’t pay losers, or pardon them. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/138 "2023-08-17T13:49:03Z")
I have yet to see convincing evidence he pays winners, either. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/139 "2023-08-17T13:53:45Z")
I think Rudy is screwed. Even flipping now won’t help him, the prosection has everything they need to convict DJT so there’s little incentive for them to offer Rudy a deal for his testimony. So the big RICO prosecutor gets taken down on RICO charges. Sweet irony. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/140 "2023-08-17T13:58:31Z")
Were I in Rudy’s shoes, even knowing I wouldn’t get any consideration for flipping, I’d still do it just to burn Trump. If I’m drowning for someone who won’t even help me you can bet I’m going to be an albatross and drag 'em down with me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=8)