# A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani} **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 16, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355 "2023-08-16T04:08:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/161 "2023-08-18T16:12:42Z")
Today’s thread winner! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/162 "2023-08-18T16:17:47Z")
I want a comedy in which Rudy and trump get rescued by RW militias, and spend years being shuttled amongst increasingly crappy safehouses. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/163 "2023-08-18T19:19:34Z")
_Don and Rudy’s Big Adventure_ Though midway through the story, Donald would have to ruthlessly betray Rudy for it to have any plausibility. Speaking of which, is there ever going to be a point where Trump throwing people under the bus will catch up to him? You’d think given how well-known Rudy Giuliani is, how much he did publicly to defend and advocate for Trump, and how badly he was treated, that should resonate. Most of the other people who were screwed over weren’t as well-known and did things behind the scenes. This is all very public. Rudy was “America’s Mayor” after all. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/164 "2023-08-18T22:06:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > _Don and Rudy’s Big Adventure_ > > Though midway through the story, Donald would have to ruthlessly betray Rudy for it to have any plausibility. I’m thinking that at some point R&t get sequestered in a well stocked cabin in Idaho, and get snowed in. The only audience for trump’s tirades is a drunken, gibbering Rudy. They both start hallucinating and interacting with ghosts from their pasts. It might be a musical, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/165 "2023-08-19T06:57:23Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > at some point R&t get sequestered in a well stocked cabin in Idaho, and get snowed in. The only audience for trump’s tirades is a drunken, gibbering Rudy. They both start hallucinating and interacting with ghosts from their pasts. It might be a musical, who knows? Beckett, thou shouldst be living at this hour… ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/166 "2023-08-19T07:42:48Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > I’m thinking that at some point R&t get sequestered in a well stocked cabin in Idaho, and get snowed in. The only audience for trump’s tirades is a drunken, gibbering Rudy. They both start hallucinating and interacting with ghosts from their pasts. It might be a musical, who knows? _Hey, America’s Mayor, you’ve done it again,_ _Mr. Trump don’t need a pardon, he needs a year in the pen!_ _But he won’t pay your bills. Don’t say he’s misunderstood—_ _When you get right down to it—He’s. No. Good._ * * * _Dough, the cash that Rudy needs,_ _Roy, a former Trump lawyer_ _“Me,” the word that Donnie loves,_ _Far, Rudy wishes Donnie’d run,_ _So, indictments raining down,_ _voiLa, Rudy’s implicated too,_ _T-Bills that Rudy really needs_ _To cash and bring us back to dough, dough, dough dough …_ * * * _Trump, be my saviour tonight,_ _Trump be my saviour tonight,_ _Stay with me, Trumpie, I’m the fella you came in with,_ _Trump be my saviour tonight._ _Hey Trumpie, don’t leave your fella,_ _It isn’t fair, it isn’t right_ _Hey Trumpie, don’t you roll snake eyes on me,_ _Or I might just do what’s right …_ * * * Hey, this stuff would indeed make a great musical. It writes itself! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/167 "2023-08-19T16:24:11Z")
> “As of this moment ~~Lionel Hutz~~ Rudy Giuliani no longer exists. Say hello to Miguel Sánchez!” _(Homer negotiates a baby-sitting rate with Lionel Hutz.)_ > Homer: We pay 8 dollars for the night and you can take 2 popsicles outta the freezer. > Lionel Hutz: Three. > Homer: Two. > Lionel Hutz: Okay, two and I get to keep this old birdcage! > Homer: Done! “Oh shut up silly Rudy, said the reptile with a grin. You knew darn well I was a snake…” ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/168 "2023-08-19T17:12:19Z")
Or this. (Link below.) _Rudolph W. Giuliani is running out of money and looking to collect from a longtime client who has yet to pay: former President Donald J. Trump._ _To recover the millions of dollars he believes he is owed for his efforts to keep Mr. Trump in power, Mr. Giuliani first deferred to his lawyer, who pressed anyone in Mr. Trump’s circle who would listen._ _When that fizzled out, Mr. Giuliani and his lawyer made personal appeals to the former president over a two-hour dinner in April at his Mar-a-Lago estate and in a private meeting at his golf club in West Palm Beach._ _When those entreaties largely failed as well, Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, who has an independent relationship with the former president, visited Mr. Trump at his club in New Jersey this month, with what people briefed on the meeting said was the hope of getting his father’s huge legal bills covered._ _That appeared to help. Mr. Giuliani’s son asked that Mr. Trump attend two fund-raisers for the legal bills, and the former president agreed to do so, the people said._ [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/19/us/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-finances.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/19/us/politics/giuliani-trump-legal-finances.html) ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/169 "2023-08-19T17:19:09Z")
> Rudy’s on a train to nowhere, halfway down the line > He don’t want to get there, but he needs time > He ain’t sophisticated, nor well-educated > After all the hours he wasted, still he needs time… ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/170 "2023-08-19T18:51:08Z")
I keep reading the thread title as A Thread for **You** Rudy. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/171 "2023-08-20T14:43:27Z")
[I wasn’t aware that Rudy and Trump’s relationship went back so far.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/rudy-giuliani-rcna100315) He’s been marinating in Donnie’s aura for years. And I still feel sorry for him, as I do for Trump. Absolute power, or even getting close to it, really does corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/172 "2023-08-20T22:13:57Z")
Call it what it is; Former ultra right wing president trump caught on tape motorboating a drag queen while making unsolicited sexual advances. That clip needs to be played and replayed every time a RW politician brings up drag queens. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/173 "2023-08-22T22:21:27Z")
Rudy still doesn’t have a Georgia lawyer, but unindicted co-conspirator 5 Bernard Kerik is helping out. I again wonder if not having a local lawyer is a delaying tactic. Though I can believe Rudy can’t afford one if Trump won’t pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/174 "2023-08-22T22:27:25Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Though I can believe Rudy can’t afford one if Trump won’t pay for it. I don’t think he has a job, especially since he can’t practice law anymore, and he has these lawsuits weighing him down. I could believe he’s broke. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/175 "2023-08-22T22:46:18Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t think he has a job, especially since he can’t practice law anymore, and he has these lawsuits weighing him down. I could believe he’s broke. I could more likely believe that he is terrified of accessing any assets he has that are hidden from prying eyes right now. Because those will be targeted by all the other actions against him. So it’s a liquidity / exposure issue. Of course, he could just be so stupid that he never figured he’d have his assets at risk, and didn’t hide any of them. With the Rudy we’ve been seeing for the last 8 years, it could go either way. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/176 "2023-08-22T23:01:03Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Rudy still doesn’t have a Georgia lawyer, but unindicted co-conspirator 5 Bernard Kerik is helping out. The weird part is, once Rudy does come to a bond agreement in Georgia, one of the conditions will be that he have no contact with any of the co-conspirators… so I guess he’ll no longer be able to talk to the guy who helped bail him out. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/177 "2023-08-23T03:22:48Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Of course, he could just be so stupid that he never figured he’d have his assets at risk, and didn’t hide any of them. Didn’t his wife accuse him of this during their divorce? ISTR a big back and forth about hidden assets. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/178 "2023-08-23T04:37:52Z")
I think his “I’m too poor to afford a lawyer” schtick is bogus and a pile of crap. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/179 "2023-08-23T17:53:07Z")
> [@A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/988631/177): > > > [@A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/988631/88): > > > > Of course, he could just be so stupid that he never figured he’d have his assets at risk, and didn’t hide any of them. > > Didn’t his wife accuse him of this during their divorce? ISTR a big back and forth about hidden assets. I’m not 100% sure what they were accusing is the same sort of thing I was thinking of according to this: > **[Giuliani Accused in Court of Hiding Money | Law & Crime](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/giuliani-accused-of-hiding-finances-though-work-with-trump/)** > > Rudy Giuliani, one of President Donald Trump’s personal attorneys, was accused of intentionally deflating his own wealth in an attempt to stiff his estranged wife Judith Nathan Giuliani in court proceedings Thursday. Basically, she claimed that he was working for Trump pro bono, and paying out of pocket for travel and other expenses, but was billing and accepting money from other clients to cover those costs and creating an impression of a loss when he wasn’t actually doing so. I -do- believe as stated upthread that he probably does have some cash/investments on the down low, or held in other names, but with the current scrutiny on him from multiple sources, if he touched those, his current and future creditors would likely pounce and freeze to prevent him from liquidating or transferring them beyond their reach. But the actions of the last few years, and his penchant for the good things in life do not rule out that his assets are dwindling rapidly. Oh, I don’t believe he can’t afford what’s going on in his troubles to date, but he may well be able to figure out that as things continue, he won’t be able to afford his debts, defense, and penalties with his income and is playing “woe is me” card to try to run the clock out, whether to his own death or an unlikely return to power and prominence. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355/180 "2023-08-23T18:24:39Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Of course, he could just be so stupid that he never figured he’d have his assets at risk, and didn’t hide any of them. With the Rudy we’ve been seeing for the last 8 years, it could go either way. - There’s a real nice hotel that could hide his assets under it’s garden. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-rudy-rudy-giuliani/989355.md?page=10)