A thread for Rudy {Rudy Giuliani}

From the court document. I like this wording:

Rather than simply play by the rules designed to promote a discovery process necessary to reach a fair decision on the merits of plaintiffs’ claims, Giuliani has bemoaned plaintiffs’ efforts to secure his compliance as “punishment by process.” Id. at 75:12. Donning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences, but in a court of law this performance has served only to subvert the normal process of discovery in a straight-forward defamation case, with the concomitant necessity of repeated court intervention.

This is pretty much going to be how the whole Trump thing is going play out. Playing the victim (when you are not) is a good way to lose your case.

I expect it to go even worse for Rudy who used to be a lawyer. I’ve heard from lawyers that judges are harder on lawyers than lay defendants for everything from traffic infractions to serious crimes. Maybe it was just the lawyers playing the victim in their complaints, but they claim that judges pointed out that as lawyers they should have known better and as an officer of the court not been involved in actionable activity to start with.

Oooooh, this is quite the document.

Nothings scathes as well as a legally worded scathing.

Judge Beryl Howell is always masterful.

She’s a jewel.

< snapping fingers and pointing at you… >

No kidding. I love how things like this are worded.
To translate:

Rudy is a self-important showboating dickhead, who seems to think that whining like a crybaby and wasting the court’s time will lead to success. This will not happen.

Not to mention the swipe, that states, a 50+ year practicing lawyer should know better, and don’t cry poverty while flying private.

I do like how the plaintiffs needs were put into the penalty/fining smack down.

I especially liked this observation in the ruling:

“The reservations in Giuliani’s stipulations make clear his goal to bypass the discovery process and a merits trial—at which his defenses may be fully scrutinized and tested in our judicial system’s time-honored adversarial process—and to delay such a fair reckoning by taking his chances on appeal, based on the abbreviated record he forced on plaintiffs. Yet, just as taking shortcuts to win an election carries risks—even potential criminal liability—bypassing the discovery process carries serious sanctions, no matter what reservations a noncompliant party may try artificially to preserve for appeal.”

And she’s not going to instruct the jury that they are allowed to infer that Guiliani’s failure to comply was done for the purpose of hiding his assets.

Instead, she’s going to instruct the jury that they must infer that Guiliani’s failure to comply was done for the purpose of hiding his assets.

Apparently that’s a unusual level of sanction reserved for the most egregious cases.

Ouch.

Euthanasia comes to mind. :angry:

Cool lines from the judicial evisceration of Rudy.

Oh, my, I went through the whole order (it’s long) and extracted these essential bits, leaving out the multitude of case citations and quotes in the rigorous and extensive consideration given to all the issues. Since it’s a public document – a court order – I hope this amount of quoting is okay.

Giuliani has submitted declarations with concessions turned slippery on
scrutiny

the result of these efforts to obtain discovery from Giuliani, aside from his initial production of 193 documents, is largely a single page of communications, blobs of indecipherable data, a sliver of the financial documents required to be produced, and a declaration and two stipulations from Giuliani, who indicates in the latter stipulations his preference to concede plaintiffs’ claims rather than produce discovery in this case

Giuliani’s stipulations hold more holes than Swiss cheese,

Giuliani’s completed TrustPoint production of 7,949 records consists “almost entirely [of] nonusable, nonresponsive materials,” consisting of “approximately 4,142—or more than half—as indecipherable blobs,” id. at 13. Out of the remaining 3,807 documents, plaintiffs identified only “188 documents that might be relevant to [their] claims” but “63 of those documents consist[ed] of texts with what appear to be wiped bodies,” leaving just 124 potentially relevant documents. Id. at 13–14. Yet, plaintiffs’ counsel identified only “50 or fewer documents” out of those 124 records that were “directly relevant to Plaintiffs’ claims,” and the majority of those were“unremarkable documents,” such as meeting emails querying the location of zoom links or copies of publicly available documents.

The fact that Giuliani is a sophisticated litigant with a self-professed 50 years of experience in litigation—including serving as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York—only underscores his lackluster preservation efforts.

Simply put, the government is not Giuliani’s ESI preservation team

The only reasonable explanation for Giuliani’s blatant disregard for satisfying his preservation obligations—despite fully understanding them—is that he intentionally and willfully ignored them.

Giuliani’s failure to preserve his ESI forced plaintiffs to waste time by wadingthrough thousands of pages of gibberish derived from the TrustPoint dataset in search of some potentially relevant evidence, while his concomitant failure to produce any meaningful discovery has similarly brought this litigation to a standstill.

Giuliani would like to have his proverbial cake and eat it too: He wants to bypass his discovery obligations now with stipulations that would leave him, somehow, free to raise his affirmative defenses to plaintiffs’ claims on appeal, with a record predicated on deficient discovery. This discovery shortcut is simply unfair and will not be permitted here.

None of Giuliani’s attempts to explain away these unambiguous failures to comply with these court orders are persuasive.

Giuliani’s willful withholding of relevant financial records provides the “special circumstances counseling for a stronger inference” because the only conclusion that could be drawn from this discovery deficiency is that Giuliani is intentionally trying to hide information about his net worth.

Oh, that’s what happened! I was wondering why there were 247 replies to a thread I was tracking and wondered what the hell Rudy had done. :upside_down_face:

It all sounds good (what little I understand), but what’s a “wiped body”?

Oh, my! There is a lot of sass in that complete smackdown!

If it were in the context of emails rather than texts, the body is the portion of the email that one person writes to another. The address information, routing path, subject line, cc:s and the like are all the header - or, often, the “metadata” of the email.

If this is referring to “texts” specifically as cell phone SMS messages, it would by extension mean they provided the information as to who sent or received a message, and perhaps the time sent or received, but the actual content of the message was left out. If it’s a more generic reference, then that would mean they would have left in such things as title pages, tables of contents, and the like; but the bulk of the text was just gone.

Same here, I wondered what could have befallen Rudy, was he in the path of the hurricane?

I particularly enjoyed the “slippery under scrutiny “.

A Washington Post article described how the judge chastised Giuliani for not preserving electronic documents he was required to provide the court:

“Given Giuliani’s much-vaunted experience as an attorney, he plainly should have known better, and had he taken the proper steps prior to or even after the FBI’s seizure of his devices, his potentially relevant [electronically stored information] could have been preserved,” Howell said.

How does this work? Say I am accused of some wrongdoing and law enforcement raids my house. They confiscate my laptop, backup hard drives and phone. All of my documents live on those devices, and I don’t have any cloud backup.

After that happens, how am I expected to preserve my electronic documents for the court later on?

I suspect that if you had information that proved you weren’t defaming someone, and instead commenting on matters of fact, that you would preserve that information. And if you didn’t have that evidence, then you better have publicly available information that proved that point.

Similarly, if you’re acting on behalf of a client, you probably need to be able to prove those actions were taken at behalf of legal authority.

Or, as came up in another thread, I personally can’t provide an alibi for last week. Good think I wasn’t engaged in questionable-at-best behavior, no?

Actually, I bet most people nowadays can provide a pretty good summary for where they were on any given day, if they get the cooperation of their ISP/phone company and their bank.

I was having trouble with my new card; the tap function wasn’t working. When I got around to going to the bank a week later, the teller was able to bring up my transactions, and knew exactly where and when the tap hadn’t worked, with which stores.

If I ever had the cops ask me “where were you on the night of the murder?” I’d go to my bank and telephone company for help.

Assuming I’m not the murderer, of course.