# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2041 "2018-01-26T19:54:01Z")
Not a mention on the foxnews website’s front page about the allegations that Trump wanted to fire Mueller Instead their lead story is more emails between the FBI lovers. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2042 "2018-01-26T20:04:07Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Small business owners are far too busy running their businesses to run for office. Okay, that’s true. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Small business owners tend to be small picture types, used to a hands-on management style. A president needs to be a big picture guy with an understanding of policy and used to a lot of delegating. Very different skillset. > > Small business owners are OK in politics for positions like City Council, where they can get on the case of the public works people about why such-and-such neighborhood was neglected in the latest snow plowing, and debate whether the tax assessor is doing a good job. POTUS is something else entirely. I don’t know that the skills would not translate. Sure, it’s different, but every day is a different challenge to overcome. Every day is a chance that a new problem will surface that requires entirely new tools and ways of thinking to overcome or adapt to. Small business owners who do not learn to delegate also never manage to grow any. I certainly would not say that all small business owners are up to the task, but I think that there likely are some that are. My only point is that I hope that trump doesn’t actually make people think that a businessman can not hold political office like president, as he is not really a very good example. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2043 "2018-01-26T20:21:28Z")
Fair points. It’s quite possible that a talented individual could be equally successful in business or government. Trump is not that person. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2044 "2018-01-26T20:26:47Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Small business owners tend to be small picture types, used to a hands-on management style. A president needs to be a big picture guy with an understanding of policy and used to a lot of delegating. Very different skillset. For a business owner that I think could do a decent job at being President, I think an example would be Mark Cuban. I hesitate to bring him up because Trump has really shown how celebrity doesn’t translate to POTUS, but Cuban does have actual business acumen, and the fact that he’s on a TV show is probably the only reason I know how he behaves. I’m sure there are lots more that I just don’t know of. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2045 "2018-01-26T20:32:32Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Small business owners are far too busy running their businesses to run for office. I should add on this topic as well, that for many small business owners, running for office is part of running their businesses. Meaning that many small business owners run for office and then use their connections to government to help their businesses. That’s very much how it works, in my neck of the woods (Central NJ). Most of the local elected officials are small business people, who have business interests that they serve via these offices, whether in self-serving policies (e.g. zoning variances, which are hugely profitable), or as silent partners in businesses which get contracts for local governments. The same goes for most of the people appointed to the various boards, who generally get these positions by virtue of being pals and business cronies to the elected officials. That’s not to impugn small business owners as a group, BTW. Only that small percentage of small business owners who run for local offices, most of whom tend to be crooks to one extent or another, IME. (There are exceptions.) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2046 "2018-01-26T20:46:55Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I should add on this topic as well, that for many small business owners, running for office is part of running their businesses. Meaning that many small business owners run for office and then use their connections to government to help their businesses. > > That’s very much how it works, in my neck of the woods (Central NJ). Most of the local elected officials are small business people, who have business interests that they serve via these offices, whether in self-serving policies (e.g. zoning variances, which are hugely profitable), or as silent partners in businesses which get contracts for local governments. The same goes for most of the people appointed to the various boards, who generally get these positions by virtue of being pals and business cronies to the elected officials. > > That’s not to impugn small business owners as a group, BTW. Only that small percentage of small business owners who run for local offices, most of whom tend to be crooks to one extent or another, IME. (There are exceptions.) I wouldn’t call them crooks. I know many business owners around here, and some of them serve on the local development district council, one is a township trustee, and many others run little organizations that are meant to increase the overall economic activity of the community. They don’t just get zoning variances for themselves, they help other businesses get them as well. The rest of the elected politicians around here are all lawyers, they are probably all crooks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2047 "2018-01-26T20:59:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Not a mention on the foxnews website’s front page about the allegations that Trump wanted to fire Mueller Instead their lead story is more emails between the FBI lovers. O for crissake. I’d like somebody to stand up and shout that a. FBI agents are allowed to have political opinions. b. Having an opinion is not the same as being biased. c. Having an opinion does not mean that those with the opinion are in a position to influence the course of the investigation. d. They thought Trump was an idiot? Join the club with 150 million Americans, including the Secretary of State. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2048 "2018-01-26T21:42:26Z")
Pics, or it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2049 "2018-01-26T21:47:39Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > O for crissake. I’d like somebody to stand up and shout that > > a. FBI agents are allowed to have political opinions. > b. Having an opinion is not the same as being biased. > c. Having an opinion does not mean that those with the opinion are in a position to influence the course of the investigation. > d. They thought Trump was an idiot? Join the club with 150 million Americans, including the Secretary of State. Not to mention that they also criticized Democrats in their emails. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2050 "2018-01-26T21:52:38Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Gotta love Hannity [dealing with this live on air](https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/956729170700259329). > > My sources can’t confirm this. The New York Times is fake news. OK, my sources now do confirm this, but who cares. Hey look, car chase! God I hate that motherfucker. Water carrying fool. I mean, I hate that motherfucker more than I hate Trump. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2051 "2018-01-26T22:18:33Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > For a business owner that I think could do a decent job at being President, I think an example would be Mark Cuban. > > I hesitate to bring him up because Trump has really shown how celebrity doesn’t translate to POTUS, but Cuban does have actual business acumen… The United States government is not a business, and civics isn’t something you learn owning a basketball team. He’d be a better President than Donald Trump, but so would a hundred million randomly chosen Americans above the age of 35. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2052 "2018-01-26T22:47:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Not a mention on the foxnews website’s front page about the allegations that Trump wanted to fire Mueller Instead their lead story is more emails between the FBI lovers. Look right below that. They have three stories on it as of five minutes ago. 1. Trump firing Mueller is a ‘red line’ for many Republicans, says Politico reporter. 2. Gingrich on report Trump wanted to fire Mueller: ‘A non-story about a non-event’. 3. Trump slams report claiming he sought to fire Mueller, blames ‘fake news’. They were also listed second as a source for the story in Bing’s newsfeed this morning, when I first read about it. It’s still in Bing’s rotation. Here -[Did Trump try to fire Mueller? Behind the scenes of president's dispute with his legal team | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/26/did-trump-try-to-fire-mueller-behind-scenes-presidents-dispute-with-his-legal-team.html) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2053 "2018-01-28T17:45:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The Don will not go quietly into the night, and there are probably people in congress (and in the party’s money apparatus) who know they’re in Mueller’s (and the FBI’s) cross hairs. They’re running out of time and they suspect that the ballot box is not going to be their friend this time around – not unless they corrupt that process somehow. The GOP’s already doubling down on the two competing truths strategy to corrupt our view of criminal justice, and it might actually work. What happens when, with the help of Vladimir Putin, they apply the two truths strategy to the elections process? All this brouhaha about the so-called Nunes memo is part of the discrediting and corrupting strategy, no doubt; but there are some deeper, way scary implications to that incipient garbage dump that I hadn’t considered till I read [this piece by Jim Wright of Stonekettle Station.](http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/01/dirty-tricks.html) An ominous and unsettling take on the subject. I’m not going to quote any excerpts because it needs reading in full. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2054 "2018-01-28T17:49:51Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Look right below that. They have three stories on it as of five minutes ago. > > 1. Trump firing Mueller is a ‘red line’ for many Republicans, says Politico reporter. > 2. Gingrich on report Trump wanted to fire Mueller: ‘A non-story about a non-event’. > 3. Trump slams report claiming he sought to fire Mueller, blames ‘fake news’. > > They were also listed second as a source for the story in Bing’s newsfeed this morning, when I first read about it. > > It’s still in Bing’s rotation. Here -[Did Trump try to fire Mueller? Behind the scenes of president's dispute with his legal team | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/26/did-trump-try-to-fire-mueller-behind-scenes-presidents-dispute-with-his-legal-team.html) How many red lines will there be, before it is finally enough??? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2055 "2018-01-28T17:52:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That latest story shows, to me, how terrified Trump is. Not just by Mueller’s investigation, but by the possibility of those around him abandoning him. Wel they fucking SHOULD ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2056 "2018-01-28T17:53:51Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Seriously, why wasn’t orange ugly rug put in jail years ago? His only acquaintence with the law is in violation of same. Simple. Daddy’s money which he inherited (he himself never actually made or earned shit) and corruption. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2057 "2018-01-28T17:58:43Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > God I hate that motherfucker. Water carrying fool. I mean, I hate that motherfucker more than I hate Trump. …LIKE!.. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2058 "2018-01-28T18:03:44Z")
Do y’all think there is some specific thing that thump is afraid the Mueller investigation will uncover? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2059 "2018-01-28T18:26:59Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > All this brouhaha about the so-called Nunes memo is part of the discrediting and corrupting strategy, no doubt; but there are some deeper, way scary implications to that incipient garbage dump that I hadn’t considered till I read [this piece by Jim Wright of Stonekettle Station.](http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/01/dirty-tricks.html) > > An ominous and unsettling take on the subject. I’m not going to quote any excerpts because it needs reading in full. Jim [Tweeted](https://twitter.com/stonekettle/status/957631603462889473) this morning : > [@](#): > > Looks like Chuck Todd read my article. > > [Stonekettle Station: Dirty Tricks](http://www.stonekettle.com/2018/01/dirty-tricks.html) > > He’s on Meet the Press asking Kevin McCarthy all the questions I posted, in the same order. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2060 "2018-01-28T18:53:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Do y’all think there is some specific thing that thump is afraid the Mueller investigation will uncover? I think the most likely criminal acts that would be uncovered is money laundering or financial crimes of some sort. Given his red line comment, seems like I’m on the same page with Trump about something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=104)