# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2101 "2018-01-29T19:38:37Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > I’m sure the “specific thing” is whatever kompromat the Russians have on Trump. IMHO, it’s looking more and more like the legendary “pee tape”. Hear me out: > > Stormy Daniels, before she was paid off, said that Trump asked to be spanked with a copy of **Forbes**. To me, that says that Trump is (privately) into humiliation. And about the most humiliating thing he can probably imagine is getting peed on. > > I’m thinking now that it’s a real thing. I don’t know if we’ll ever actually get hold of it, because I’m betting that it’s locked up in the deepest vault Russia’s got, and they’re not letting go of it as long as they can use it to influence Trump. More likely, we’ll only get verification about its existence from one or two FSB agents. If we do get it, it will be due to the Russians deciding he is totally useless to them. I think they may eventually get there. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2102 "2018-01-29T19:41:18Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Me? Lacking morals? Hardly. > > Do you ever get tired of being a part of the party that espouses women’s rights but cant’s stand for a second to criticize Kennedy or Clinton? > > Tell me more about morals you fucking hypocrite. From what I remember, THEIR partners were more than willing and sought THEM out - and were adults. YOU guys have Roy and Donnie. A child molester and a teen chasing pussy grabber. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2103 "2018-01-29T19:59:49Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > I’m sure the “specific thing” is whatever kompromat the Russians have on Trump. IMHO, it’s looking more and more like the legendary “pee tape”. Hear me out: > > Stormy Daniels, before she was paid off, said that Trump asked to be spanked with a copy of **Forbes**. To me, that says that Trump is (privately) into humiliation. And about the most humiliating thing he can probably imagine is getting peed on. > > I’m thinking now that it’s a real thing. I don’t know if we’ll ever actually get hold of it, because I’m betting that it’s locked up in the deepest vault Russia’s got, and they’re not letting go of it as long as they can use it to influence Trump. More likely, we’ll only get verification about its existence from one or two FSB agents. Except the infamous “pee tape” is not reputed to depict the Russian hookers peeing on him. It’s reputed to depict the Russian hookers (5 of them, if memory serves) simultaneously peeing on a bed that the Obamas slept in on a visit to Russia. Doesn’t really square up with your theory, if that is the case, does it? In my opinion, it’s the least interesting kompromat the Russians are supposed to have, based on my reading of the Steele dossier. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2104 "2018-01-29T20:25:31Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Except the infamous “pee tape” is not reputed to depict the Russian hookers peeing on him. It’s reputed to depict the Russian hookers (5 of them, if memory serves) simultaneously peeing on a bed that the Obamas slept in on a visit to Russia. Doesn’t really square up with your theory, if that is the case, does it? > > In my opinion, it’s the least interesting kompromat the Russians are supposed to have, based on my reading of the Steele dossier. Yeah. He’s not just your average narcissistic sociopathic racist lying crook. He’s a weirdo too. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2105 "2018-01-29T20:48:14Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yeah. He’s not just your average narcissistic sociopathic racist lying crook. He’s a weirdo too. Seconded. And such a racist. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2106 "2018-01-29T21:06:02Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Except the infamous “pee tape” is not reputed to depict the Russian hookers peeing on him. It’s reputed to depict the Russian hookers (5 of them, if memory serves) simultaneously peeing on a bed that the Obamas slept in on a visit to Russia. Doesn’t really square up with your theory, if that is the case, does it? > > In my opinion, it’s the least interesting kompromat the Russians are supposed to have, based on my reading of the Steele dossier. What’s the most interesting (in your opinion). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2107 "2018-01-29T21:10:37Z")
I was dreading that the Nunes\* Memo might actually contain some damning information, and I presumed it had something to do with the Obama Era DoJ – Lynch, Comey, the Hillary investigation. Apparently, no: it’s about Carter Page and Rod Rosenstein. So the Republicans are so desperate to fire Mueller that they’re willing to throw 2 of their own – Rosenstein and Page – under the bus. (Rosenstein is the only one who can fire Mueller…if he himself is fired he can be replaced by a more compliant Trump toady.) \*You would think Nunes would have put somebody else’s name on it, having blown any semblance of credibility he had when he was outed as Trump’s messenger boy last year. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2108 "2018-01-29T21:16:20Z")
It doesn’t really matter what’s in the memo. It’s served its purpose as Macguffin to rile up Trumpists into believing there is a Deep State conspiracy. Facts do not matter. Emotion matters. The memo was not meant to convey facts. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2109 "2018-01-29T21:29:38Z")
[This story](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-gripes-against-mccabe-included-wife-s-politics-comey-n842161) puts a little more color into the McCabe firing. "\*The day after President Donald Trump fired James Comey, he became so furious watching television footage of the ousted FBI director boarding a government-funded plane from Los Angeles back to Washington, D.C. that he called the bureau’s acting director, Andrew McCabe, to vent, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call. Trump demanded to know why Comey was allowed to fly on an FBI plane after he had been fired, these people said. McCabe told the president he hadn’t been asked to authorize Comey’s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News. The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser — an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe’s wife made in 2015. McCabe replied: “OK, sir.” Trump then hung up the phone. \*" ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2110 "2018-01-29T21:34:03Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > [This story](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-gripes-against-mccabe-included-wife-s-politics-comey-n842161) puts a little more color into the McCabe firing. > > "\*The day after President Donald Trump fired James Comey, he became so furious watching television footage of the ousted FBI director boarding a government-funded plane from Los Angeles back to Washington, D.C. that he called the bureau’s acting director, Andrew McCabe, to vent, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call. > > Trump demanded to know why Comey was allowed to fly on an FBI plane after he had been fired, these people said. McCabe told the president he hadn’t been asked to authorize Comey’s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News. > > The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser — an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe’s wife made in 2015. > > McCabe replied: “OK, sir.” Trump then hung up the phone. \*" … and this is the motherfucker we should be willing to work with. Now he’s (according to some reports) pissed off that McCabe will get to retire and receive his benefits (which he is entitled to). That whole ninety day tick tock watch the clock thing. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2111 "2018-01-29T21:36:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … and this is the motherfucker we should be willing to work with. Now he’s (according to some reports) pissed off that McCabe will get to retire and receive his benefits (which he is entitled to). That whole ninety day tick tock watch the clock thing. Mark Felt was the deputy FBI director. So, here’s hoping history repeats itself. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2112 "2018-01-29T21:43:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yeah. He’s not just your average narcissistic sociopathic racist lying crook. He’s a weirdo too. The damaging aspect of the pee tape (whatever or whoever is getting peed upon therein) is the sheer _unmanliness_ of it – in the eyes of his base, banging a porn star is fine and dandy, but preferring to have a hooker pee on something instead of banging her like a normal guy Just Ain’t Right[tm]. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2113 "2018-01-29T21:52:00Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Mark Felt was the deputy FBI director. So, here’s hoping history repeats itself. So much stupid shit happens minute to minute. Sigh, hard to keep track. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2114 "2018-01-29T22:05:09Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > What’s the most interesting (in your opinion). Everything under the heading, > [@](#): > > - “Russia/US Presidential Election: Further Indications of Extensive Conspiracy Between Trump’s Campaign Team and the Kremlin”\* Summarized as follows: > [@](#): > > \*"(1) - Further evidence of extensive conspiracy between TRUMP’S campaign team and the Kremlin, sanctioned at highest levels and involving Russian diplomatic staff based in the US > > (2) - TRUMP associate admits Kremlin behind recent appearance of DNC e-mails on WikiLeaks as means of maintaining plausible deniability > > (3) - Agreed exchange of information established in both directions. TRUMP’s team using moles within DNC and hackers in the US as well as outside in Russia. PUTIN motivated by hatred and fear of Hillary CLINTON. Russians receiving intel from TRUMP’s team on Russian oligarchs and their families in US > > (4) - Mechanism for transmitting this intelligence involves “pension” disbursements to Russian emigres living in the US as cover, using consular officials in NY, DC and Miami > > (5) - Suggestion from source close to TRUMP and MANAFORT that Republican campaign team happy to have Russia as media bogeyman to mask more extensive corrupt business ties to China and other emerging countries"\* (numbering mine.) Pursuant to the numbering I added, we so far seem to have actual evidence, already made public, of 1, 2 and 4. We also have evidence for portions of 3. So far, nothing has been shown to be false. Steele himself said he believed his memos would prove out to 70-90% accurate. Looks good to this point. > [@RickJay](#): > > It doesn’t really matter what’s in the memo. It’s served its purpose as Macguffin to rile up Trumpists into believing there is a Deep State conspiracy. Facts do not matter. Emotion matters. The memo was not meant to convey facts. I’ve said this many times. The only reason I referenced the memo is because I believe it’s the only source for the “pee tape” allegations, and what was stated by **Max Torque** is inaccurate about what it alleges. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2115 "2018-01-29T22:16:41Z")
Let us take a moment to salute life-long Republicans who are stepping up to seize the bull by the tail and face the situation. Reminds me of when “conservative” implied preservation rather than prostitution. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2116 "2018-01-29T22:57:17Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > The damaging aspect of the pee tape (whatever or whoever is getting peed upon therein) is the sheer _unmanliness_ of it – in the eyes of his base, banging a porn star is fine and dandy, but preferring to have a hooker pee on something instead of banging her like a normal guy Just Ain’t Right[tm]. I think I disagree. The _nature_ of the pee tape will not damage his image to his supporters. There’s a squick factor for some people, but the base will see an incredibly powerful and wealthy man purchasing other people (well, renting their services, but potato, potahto) in order to have them deface the Obamas. They eat that shit up. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2117 "2018-01-29T23:11:15Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > But Obama never betrayed our trust by giving Putin everything he wants - including our secrets. Obama never sold us out for dirty Russian money. I will trust the supposed “Commie Kenyan Mooslum Murrica Hater” before I trust a lying money grubbing traitor. But but but, it’s okay if Republicans do it. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2118 "2018-01-29T23:11:21Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And not the judgments that just order him to pay - because he won’t. I want the kind of judgments that seize. > > I want him to be totally ruined and broke. Destitute, publicly humiliated, totally cut off from any possible source of money, no health care, … nothing but humiliation and starvation. Yeah, me too! ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2119 "2018-01-29T23:13:51Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And not the judgments that just order him to pay - because he won’t. I want the kind of judgments that seize. > > I want him to be totally ruined and broke. Destitute, publicly humiliated, totally cut off from any possible source of money, no health care, … nothing but humiliation and starvation. That and life in prison with no possibility of parole. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2120 "2018-01-29T23:28:28Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > That and life in prison with no possibility of parole. LOL, we won’t need a very long sentence to accomplish that… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=107)