# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 110
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2181 "2018-01-31T23:51:13Z")
Republicans have been salivating over Peter Strzok and how he’s an evil liberal who was hellbent on getting Clinton elected and taking down Trump. Trump even went so far as to accuse him of treason in a recent interview. Emails [now show](https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/strzok-fbi-comey-clinton-letter/index.html) that Strzok supported re-opening the Clinton investigation and even wrote the first draft of the letter that Comey sent congress. Maybe he was just a guy trying to do his job. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2182 "2018-02-01T00:42:20Z")
Their conspiracy against Trump was really, really poorly executed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2183 "2018-02-01T02:18:25Z")
> **[Mueller Zeros In on Story Put Together About Trump Tower Meeting (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html)** > > Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, has pressed witnesses about a statement hastily written last summer aboard Air Force One and wants to know more from President Trump. > [@](#): > > The latest witness to be called for an interview about the episode was Mark Corallo, who served as a spokesman for Mr. Trump’s legal team before resigning in July. Mr. Corallo received an interview request last week from the special counsel and has agreed to the interview, according to three people with knowledge of the request. > > Mr. Corallo is planning to tell Mr. Mueller about a previously undisclosed conference call with Mr. Trump and Hope Hicks, the White House communications director, according to the three people. Mr. Corallo planned to tell investigators that Ms. Hicks said during the call that emails written by Donald Trump Jr. before the Trump Tower meeting — in which the younger Mr. Trump said he was eager to receive political dirt about Mrs. Clinton from the Russians — “will never get out.” That left Mr. Corallo with concerns that Ms. Hicks could be contemplating obstructing justice, the people said > > In a statement on Wednesday, a lawyer for Ms. Hicks strongly denied Mr. Corallo’s allegations. > \ > > The conference call with the president, Mr. Corallo and Ms. Hicks took place the next morning, and what transpired on the call is a matter of dispute. > > In Mr. Corallo’s account — which he provided contemporaneously to three colleagues who later gave it to The Times — he told both Mr. Trump and Ms. Hicks that the statement drafted aboard Air Force One would backfire because documents would eventually surface showing that the meeting had been set up for the Trump campaign to get political dirt about Mrs. Clinton from the Russians. > > According to his account, Ms. Hicks responded that the emails “will never get out” because only a few people had access to them. Mr. Corallo, who worked as a Justice Department spokesman during the George W. Bush administration, told colleagues he was alarmed not only by what Ms. Hicks had said — either she was being naïve or was suggesting that the emails could be withheld from investigators — but also that she had said it in front of the president without a lawyer on the phone and that the conversation could not be protected by attorney-client privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2184 "2018-02-01T02:26:02Z")
If you can’t trust legal advice from a 29 year old model with three years of experience being Trump’s press secretary, who can you trust to keep you out of prison? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2185 "2018-02-01T02:53:21Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > If you can’t trust legal advice from a 29 year old model with three years of experience being Trump’s press secretary, who can you trust to keep you out of prison? Hey! Not fair! She probably watched all 5,000 episodes of the original _Law & Order_ like I did, which is the way to get as good as a law degree without all the expense and hours in the library. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2186 "2018-02-01T02:57:55Z")
So, consciousness of guilt? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2187 "2018-02-01T03:05:46Z")
[“Mueller Zooms In on Trump Tower Cover Story”](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — Aboard Air Force One on a flight home from Europe last July, President Trump and his advisers raced to cobble together a news release about a mysterious meeting at Trump Tower the previous summer between Russians and top Trump campaign officials. Rather than acknowledge the meeting’s intended purpose — to obtain political dirt about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government — the statement instead described the meeting as being about an obscure Russian adoption policy. > … > The statement, released in response to questions from The New York Times about the meeting, has become a focus of the inquiry by Robert S. Mueller III… > … > The revelation of the meeting was striking: It placed the president’s son and his top campaign officials in direct contact with a Russian lawyer who promised damaging information on Mrs. Clinton, and an email to the president’s son emerged saying that the information was part of Russia’s effort to help the Trump campaign. > … Because the Dope is always firstest with the bestest, some of us may be getting calls from Mueller, as [a few of us were present at that meeting.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831406) ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2188 "2018-02-01T03:08:53Z")
Apparently Devin Nunes altered the memo he sent to the White House to review for release @RepAdamSchiff BREAKING: Discovered late tonight that Chairman Nunes made material changes to the memo he sent to White House – changes not approved by the Committee. White House therefore reviewing a document the Committee has not approved for release. link contains a letter to Nunes asking: wtf dude? > ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2189 "2018-02-01T03:10:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Watched his confirmation hearing and sure, he said all the right things and seemed sincere. **But so did Gorsuch, and he’s totally in the bag for Trump.** So… I’m no Gorsuch fan by any stretch, but just FWIW, I don’t see Gorsuch as being in the bag for Trump. I think Gorsuch is his own guy. He’s always been pretty hard right. He just hadn’t said or done anything so outrageous as to draw major scrutiny. He’s a lifetime appointment, so there’s no need for him to have loyalty toward Trump. This is the real Neil Gorsuch we’re seeing. But if he disagreed with Trump on a matter of constitutional principle I tend to believe he’d not hesitate to express such disagreement ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2190 "2018-02-01T03:19:06Z")
Well. All I can say is, it’s such a relief to know they’re not traitors. Because as someone will pedantically be along to point out, we’re not _technically_ at war with Russia. Or that the investigation is totally bogus, because you know, Trump _himself_ isn’t under investigation. Fortified with such enlightened superior thinking, I shall sleep better tonight. [This](https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/politics/cia-director-pompeo-russia-spies/index.html) will probably keep me up, though. (CNN) It shouldn’t, but under the circumstances, it does. > [@](#): > > CIA Director Mike Pompeo recently met with his Russian counterparts when they traveled to the US, according to US ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman. > > Russian media is reporting those who met with Pompeo may have included the country’s sanctioned spy chief, Sergey Naryshkin. Nice that we learn about Sergey Naryshkin’s attendance from the Russian media. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2191 "2018-02-01T03:35:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m no Gorsuch fan by any stretch, but just FWIW, I don’t see Gorsuch as being in the bag for Trump. I think Gorsuch is his own guy. He’s always been pretty hard right. He just hadn’t said or done anything so outrageous as to draw major scrutiny. He’s a lifetime appointment, so there’s no need for him to have loyalty toward Trump. This is the real Neil Gorsuch we’re seeing. But if he disagreed with Trump on a matter of constitutional principle I tend to believe he’d not hesitate to express such disagreement I think you need to drill down a little more on how he was shepherded through to his nomination. [The Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation Wish List, plus ties to billionaire Philip Anschutz](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/14/us/politics/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court.html) (New York Times) [Gorsuch Refuses to Reveal his Billionaire Backers in Confirmation Hearing](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/325027-gorsuch-refuses-whitehouses-request-to-ask-shadowy-backers-to-reveal) (The Hill) Maybe him being owned by people like this doesn’t bother you. It bothers me a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2192 "2018-02-01T03:41:50Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > And a real live law professor [pushes the same idea](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/democrats-should-counter-the-nunes-memo-by-spilling-classified-info-on-trump.html) (and says it is protected). This is really interesting. I’m uncomfortable with it, because as a rule I don’t advocate stooping to the same level as your opponent or that the end justifies the means. But Republicans have learned how to weaponize the decency of Dems to not “go there,” and it always works to the disadvantage of the Dems. So I honestly don’t know. People say we’re “heading” for a Constitutional crisis. I think we’re already in one. Does that justify setting aside traditional norms of government? Really tough call, if not doing so potentially means there will be no government we recognize left to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2193 "2018-02-01T03:53:20Z")
Perhaps it means reverting back to 19th-century political traditions. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2194 "2018-02-01T03:58:18Z")
Are we heading toward the last opportunity to jump ship here? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2195 "2018-02-01T04:05:34Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Perhaps it means reverting back to 19th-century political traditions. Doesn’t bode well for we broads. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2196 "2018-02-01T04:12:01Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Are we heading toward the last opportunity to jump ship here? Do you feel that way? It is all sadly overwhelming. But no. Mueller is and has been well aware of the potential for his being fired, almost from the beginning. I am comfortable he will have safeguarded the investigation in many ways. Trump’s antics may slow it down, but it won’t stop it. In my view, the real unknown is how many American citizens will begin to perceive the genuine threat to their system of government. I am still hopeful. The numbers show that a majority want Mueller to finish what he’s started. If/when the indictments start to fall and plea deals are revealed, I think you’ll be gratified to see how fast public opinion can shift – no matter what Hannity is spewing. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2197 "2018-02-01T04:21:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Do you feel that way? It is all sadly overwhelming. But no. Mueller is and has been well aware of the potential for his being fired, almost from the beginning. I am comfortable he will have safeguarded the investigation in many ways. Trump’s antics may slow it down, but it won’t stop it. Tonight, Don Jr. is hoping Hope Hicks doesn’t turn on him and vice versa. Every one of these people is hoping that every other one holds up under pressure. And a lot of these people don’t seem all that good at holding up to interrogation. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2198 "2018-02-01T04:38:44Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Tonight, Don Jr. is hoping Hope Hicks doesn’t turn on him and vice versa. Every one of these people is hoping that every other one holds up under pressure. And a lot of these people don’t seem all that good at holding up to interrogation. They aren’t and they won’t. Mueller has an embarrassment of riches at his disposal. But timing is everything… we must endure until he picks his moment. This is going to be a tough year. I don’t expect Mueller to submit his final report until after January 2019. But… that doesn’t mean more indictments and/or plea deals won’t come down the pike in the interim. Meantime, I do everything I can to push the mid-terms in the direction I hope will be most beneficial for our country. Now is the time to speak out as you never have before, in every way you can. Don’t bail just yet! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2199 "2018-02-01T04:48:10Z")
I don’t think it will take another year for the money laundering indictments to come down the pike. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2200 "2018-02-01T07:25:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [“Mueller Zooms In on Trump Tower Cover Story”](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html?partner=rss&emc=rss) > > Because the Dope is always firstest with the bestest, some of us may be getting calls from Mueller, as [a few of us were present at that meeting.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831406) I still find it remarkable that no one but I seem to find it notable that the media announced the Veselnitskaya meeting in what was the morning of the G20 summit, that evening Trump and Putin had a lengthy chat together which Trump said was about “adoptions”, and then the next morning he’s drafting the cover story for the meeting. With that conversation between Putin and Trump, about that meeting, how are you supposed to ever be able to trust that the accounts of the meeting that all of the participants have given wasn’t coordinated between the two groups? At that point, you just fundamentally can’t trust any account of what went down at the meeting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=109) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=111)