# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2261 "2018-02-03T01:27:48Z")
Wonder if ThelmaLou plans on returning to comment on her now thoroughly back-fired Pit thread? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2262 "2018-02-03T01:35:47Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Wonder if ThelmaLou plans on returning to comment on her now thoroughly back-fired Pit thread? Which one? 😉 I think they’re all going pretty well. When I throw a party, I provide snacks, drinks, seats around the table, and a few opening questions so people can go at it in hydrated, well-fed comfort. I see that happening, and I’m good. Shabbat shalom. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2263 "2018-02-03T01:54:41Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Which one? 😉 > > I think they’re all going pretty well. When I throw a party, I provide snacks, drinks, seats around the table, and a few opening questions so people can go at it in hydrated, well-fed comfort. I see that happening, and I’m good. > > Shabbat shalom. I’m pretty sure **Been Jammin** was referring to **SlackerInc** ’s recent butt-headed post in the clusterfuck thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20764852&postcount=16294](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20764852&postcount=16294) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2264 "2018-02-03T02:25:46Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > This is so wrong it just leaves me stunned. Do you think Sam Stone gives a toss? Crying liberals \> Rule of Law ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2265 "2018-02-03T02:27:35Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It is going to get worse before it gets better. > > And as someone else, I believe on this board, said; _We’re going to have to make new laws against doing things that no one ever did in the past because of decorum and decency._ This is just the start. The elections are next. The GOP will ask Russia to disrupt the elections so that they can then declare the results invalid. Somewhere along the way, Mueller’s investigation gets shut down. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2266 "2018-02-03T03:27:33Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I understand fear of the unknown can lead to distraught, even irrational reactions. But what exactly are you afraid of here? Don’t you recognize the simple fact that it is routinely common for high level Federal officials to have contacts and interactions with foreign actors of all sorts? Both overtly and covertly, completely legitimately? What high level federal office did Carter Page hold in 2013? 2016? 2017? In case you need help - [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Page) might be a starting point. What high level federal office did Trump hold prior to his election in 2016 that puts the context into all of the various interactions numerous members of his campaign and family had with Russian officials and Russian individuals with key connections to the Putin regime? Oh, I forgot, they were mainly focused on talking about adoptions. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2267 "2018-02-03T03:29:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Which one? 😉 Well as long as you’re on a roll, how about a new one titled "Justice and FBI: A Clusterfiring in the Making? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2268 "2018-02-03T03:35:57Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Well as long as you’re on a roll, how about a new one titled "Justice and FBI: A Clusterfiring in the Making? 😛 Be my guest. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2269 "2018-02-03T03:49:13Z")
I won’t participate in this, but I will remind people that **Beenjammin** joined in November 2017. He is a Trump troll. A bunch of them joined or came back around that time. There is no reason to take anything he says seriously. Normal people do not join during a time of controversy. I have them on ignore, and I suggest you do the same. Don’t give the Trumpeters a platform. Don’t rise to the bait. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2270 "2018-02-03T03:55:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I won’t participate in this, but I will remind people that **Beenjammin** joined in November 2017. He is a Trump troll. A bunch of them joined or came back around that time. There is no reason to take anything he says seriously. Normal people do not join during a time of controversy. > > I have them on ignore, and I suggest you do the same. Don’t give the Trumpeters a platform. Don’t rise to the bait. [Roger that.](https://studyofhumangesture.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/thumbs-up.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2271 "2018-02-03T03:59:24Z")
I treat Trump trolls the way that the media ought to: don’t respond. People have the opportunity to respond and contribute intelligent thoughts - I give people equal opportunity to do that regardless of affiliation. But equal opportunity for equal time does not necessarily mean equal time. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2272 "2018-02-03T04:05:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > II have them on ignore, and I suggest you do the same. Don’t give the Trumpeters a platform. Don’t rise to the bait. Aw, don’t go away mad, BigT. Just go away. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2273 "2018-02-03T04:08:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I won’t participate in this, but I will remind people that **Beenjammin** joined in November 2017. He is a Trump troll. A bunch of them joined or came back around that time. There is no reason to take anything he says seriously. Normal people do not join during a time of controversy. Like the War on Terror, a time of controversy seems like our collective horoscope (horrorscope?) for the indefinite past and an especially indefinite future. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2274 "2018-02-03T04:33:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It seems pretty clear what the memo alleges: > > The FBI used a document to get a FISA warrant while withholding material information from the FISA court that would almost certainly have resulted in a denial of a wiretap, had the FISA court known about it. This FISA warrant was then used to spy on a member of a political campaign during an election year. The critical information left out: That the document was funded, through a series of cutouts, by the opposing political campaign. Speaking of withholding material information, I see you left out that Carter Page had already left the campaign. > [@](#): > > I’m so old that I can remember when Liberals thought that the FISA court was dangerous, and that our civil liberties were under threat from the FBI and Department of Justice using it to spy on citizens. Now we have actual evidence of how the FISA court can be manipulated into allowing spying on Americans on flimsy evidence, and the answer from the left is to defend the government and reject the mere notion that there might be bias and shenanigans going on at this level. And when people want to shed some transparency by releasing the details of the process, the left starts yelling that we need secrecy and that releasing the memo is a terrible thing. > > Anything to get Trump, I guess. As a liberal, I’m still wary of the FISA court and it’s power to allow surveillance of American citizens. However, when an American citizen is working with Russians in order to influence our own elections, you’re goddamn right I’m behind it. This is Carter Page, who admitted before the House Intelligence Committee that he was meeting with Russian oligarchs and discussed working to roll back the Magnitsky sanctions. This isn’t little Tommy Murica from 3 doors down, this is someone actively working to undermine American democracy. Why do you hate America? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2275 "2018-02-03T04:44:00Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Speaking of withholding material information, I see you left out that Carter Page had already left the campaign. > > \*\*As a liberal, I’m still wary of the FISA court and it’s power to allow surveillance of American citizens. \*\* However, when an American citizen is working with Russians in order to influence our own elections, you’re goddamn right I’m behind it. This is Carter Page, who admitted before the House Intelligence Committee that he was meeting with Russian oligarchs and discussed working to roll back the Magnitsky sanctions. This isn’t little Tommy Murica from 3 doors down, this is someone actively working to undermine American democracy. Why do you hate America? If it makes you feel better, there have been a number of people on CNN who have said that when going before a FISA judge, you’re not walking in with a single sheet of paper. There’s generally a metric shit ton of evidence and documentation that goes with the request. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2276 "2018-02-03T05:02:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If it makes you feel better, there have been a number of people on CNN who have said that when going before a FISA judge, you’re not walking in with a single sheet of paper. There’s generally a metric shit ton of evidence and documentation that goes with the request. Oh, I know. It just seems like there’s a possibility for abuse at some point down the road, even if there are safeguards in place presently. I don’t hate the system currently, but you can bet your ass I’ll keep an eye on any developments that become public knowledge. In other news, the Democrats’ memo [claims the FISA court was told of the political motivations of the source.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Given that Devin Nunes [NEVER READ THE FUCKING FISA WARRANTS,](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/03/devin-nunes-fox-gop-memo-sot-erin.cnn) and Trey Gowdy, who DID, has as much as admitted the Nunes memo is [fucking worthless,](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372054-gowdy-nunes-demo-does-not-discredit-mueller-probe-in-any-way) I’d say we can just chalk this dumb shit up to Stupid Watergate Episode 436. I wish it was the series finale already, but Republicans just keep stepping on their own dicks. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2277 "2018-02-03T05:13:36Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Oh, I know. It just seems like there’s a possibility for abuse at some point down the road, even if there are safeguards in place presently. I don’t hate the system currently, but you can bet your ass I’ll keep an eye on any developments that become public knowledge. > > In other news, the Democrats’ memo [claims the FISA court was told of the political motivations of the source.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/politics/trump-fbi-memo.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur) Given that Devin Nunes [NEVER READ THE FUCKING FISA WARRANTS,](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/03/devin-nunes-fox-gop-memo-sot-erin.cnn) and Trey Gowdy, who DID, has as much as admitted the Nunes memo is [fucking worthless,](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/372054-gowdy-nunes-demo-does-not-discredit-mueller-probe-in-any-way) I’d say we can just chalk this dumb shit up to Stupid Watergate Episode 436. I wish it was the series finale already, **but Republicans just keep stepping on their own dicks.** The problem is that they and their supporters keep insisting they just got laid. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2278 "2018-02-03T05:15:46Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > This is Carter Page, who admitted before the House Intelligence Committee that he was… Would you mind pointing out the equivalency between: > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > …meeting with Russian oligarchs and discussed working to roll back the Magnitsky sanctions. and: > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > …actively working to undermine American democracy. (?) We’ll get to the hating America part later… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2279 "2018-02-03T07:22:45Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Would you mind pointing out the equivalency between: > > and: > > (?) > > We’ll get to the hating America part later… You missed almost every intelligence agency in the world pointing out that Russia worked to influence the 2016 elections, and that Carter Page admitted to working with them? Put down the fucking Tide pods already, it’s bad for you. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2280 "2018-02-03T14:15:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The problem is that they and their supporters keep insisting they just got laid. Well, a foot job at least. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=115)