# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 132
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2622 "2018-02-18T15:44:42Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Jesus, that sounds _exhausting._ Where does the Golf-Cart Vulgarian find the energy to keep that up? I don’t think it requires energy. It’s consistency and remembering what you said yesterday and five minutes ago that are exhausting. Thump is like an untrained puppy–just urp out whatever wants to come out/up in the moment with no restraint or awareness of the effect on anything. Maybe if someone rubbed his nose in it-- not that I think that is the right way to train a puppy, but puppies are smart and capable of learning. Thump, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2623 "2018-02-18T15:51:21Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > The long play. > > Here is the analysis of what Mueller learned from the Enron case - this, to me, is central to understanding what Mueller learned about detangling complex financial transactions and sequencing his legal moves very thoughtfully, and over a long time. [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/robert-mueller-enron-russia-investigation.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/robert-mueller-enron-russia-investigation.html) Interesting. Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2624 "2018-02-18T22:22:35Z")
[Former Trump aide Rick Gates to plead guilty; agrees to testify against Manafort, sources say](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html) Paul Manafort was in pretty bad shape before. Now he’s super fucked. He may be faced with a choice of dying in jail or pissing off folks who like to play polonium surprise with people who piss them off. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2625 "2018-02-18T22:26:43Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Paul Manafort was in pretty bad shape before. Now he’s super fucked. Especially with the [new charges](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374361-mueller-adds-bank-fraud-to-manaforts-list-of-criminal-conduct). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2626 "2018-02-18T22:57:48Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Especially with the [new charges](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374361-mueller-adds-bank-fraud-to-manaforts-list-of-criminal-conduct). Not to get all up in your grill with **Fotheringay-Phipps** -type nitpickery, but one of the paragraphs in your linked article specifically states that no new charges are involved. _Yet_, admittedly. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2627 "2018-02-18T23:05:31Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [Former Trump aide Rick Gates to plead guilty; agrees to testify against Manafort, sources say](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html) > > Paul Manafort was in pretty bad shape before. Now he’s super fucked. > > He may be faced with a choice of dying in jail or pissing off folks who like to play polonium surprise with people who piss them off. If he flips, Dopers in remote areas of the country should start looking for new tall, dark neighbors who complain about ordering Chicken Kiev and getting mcnuggets and margarine … like a regular schnook. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2628 "2018-02-18T23:56:02Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [Former Trump aide Rick Gates to plead guilty; agrees to testify against Manafort, sources say](http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-rick-gates-plea-deal-20180218-story.html) > > Paul Manafort was in pretty bad shape before. Now he’s super fucked. > > He may be faced with a choice of dying in jail or pissing off folks who like to play polonium surprise with people who piss them off. Now, if the next headline to come out of the investigation is “Manafort to plead guilty, agrees to testify against Trump”…I’d be oh so happy. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2629 "2018-02-19T00:30:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Not to get all up in your grill with **Fotheringay-Phipps** -type nitpickery, but one of the paragraphs in your linked article specifically states that no new charges are involved. > > _Yet_, admittedly. Mueller to the judge in the Manafort case, “Oh hey, while we’re talking about bail, I’m just going to mention that I have recently received evidence of more crimes committed by the defendant that I’ll be sending your way shortly.” I don’t think the timing of this story and the, “Gates to testify against Manafort,” story are unrelated. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2630 "2018-02-19T01:03:19Z")
“Former Trump aid to plead guilty” Remember when that shit was happening all the time, or even once, when Obama was President? Neither do I. Fuck you, Republicans, all of you. Fuck right the fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2631 "2018-02-19T01:09:12Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Mueller to the judge in the Manafort case, “Oh hey, while we’re talking about bail, I’m just going to mention that I have recently received evidence of more crimes committed by the defendant that I’ll be sending your way shortly.” > > I don’t think the timing of this story and the, “Gates to testify against Manafort,” story are unrelated. That’s exactly right. I read another story (can’t find it now) that indicated Mueller would be prepared to file additional charges alleging bank and mortgage fraud at the next bail proceeding. He’s also asking for a full revocation of Manafort’s bail and for the court to remand him into custody. I’m looking forward to it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2632 "2018-02-19T01:11:18Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “Former Trump aid to plead guilty” > Remember when that shit was happening all the time, or even once, when Obama was President? Neither do I. Fuck you, Republicans, all of you. Fuck right the fuck off. No but I do remember the tan suit. Same thing really. Also the mustard was a clear reveal of Obama’s anti-americanism. Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2633 "2018-02-19T02:03:08Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > No but I do remember the tan suit. Same thing really. Also the mustard was a clear reveal of Obama’s anti-americanism. > > Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk There was also the time he made a speech encouraging children to study hard and stay in school. There’s no comparison, really. MAGA!! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2634 "2018-02-19T02:53:10Z")
[This Buchwald column works too.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/19/AR2006041901099.html) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2635 "2018-02-19T03:20:30Z")
The thing is, when Nixon finally went, it was the Republicans who told him he had to go. [When the GOP Torpedoed Nixon](https://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/when-the-gop-torpedoed-nixon-002680) > [@](#): > > … Sen. Barry Goldwater, Ariz., the 1964 GOP presidential nominee, was a respected conservative leader in a Senate whose Republican ranks were less conservative than now. On Aug. 6, 1974, at the regular Senate Republican Conference lunch, Goldwater fumed: “There are only so many lies you can take, and now there has been one too many. Nixon should get his ass out of the White House – today!” > > Goldwater called William Timmons, a White House aide, to set up a meeting. He told Timmons he wanted to tell the president that many GOP senators wanted him to resign. > > Nixon agreed to see Goldwater on the following day. But he insisted that the top GOP congressional leaders accompany him. So Goldwater arrived with Sen. Hugh Scott, Pa., the minority leader, while Scott’s House counterpart, Rep. John Rhodes, Ariz., came separately. > > “There’s not more than 15 senators for you,” Goldwater said. Nixon asked the pipe-smoking Scott for his views. “I think 12 to 15,” said Scott, who had once had defended Nixon on the basis of a doctored Watergate transcript that had been shown to him privately… Why did Nixon lose Republican support? > [@](#): > > Reporters wrote that it was the Watergate scandal and the strong likelihood of his impeachment by the House and his conviction by the Senate that prompted him to quit. Today it’s not clear that the Republicans would desert thump even if he were convicted of shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2636 "2018-02-19T03:37:53Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > There was also the time he made a speech encouraging children to study hard and stay in school. There’s no comparison, really. MAGA!! To quote Xander from BtVS: “That bastard!” You mean like the speech Trump gave to Boy Scouts encouraging to mistrust the press and recounting stories of, well, it was just strange. Man, that feels so long ago. It has been a LONG year. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2637 "2018-02-19T03:41:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The thing is, when Nixon finally went, it was the Republicans who told him he had to go. > > [When the GOP Torpedoed Nixon](https://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/when-the-gop-torpedoed-nixon-002680)Why did Nixon lose Republican support? Today it’s not clear that the Republicans would desert thump even if he were convicted of shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. What makes you think he would be convicted? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2638 "2018-02-19T03:47:25Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “Former Trump aid to plead guilty” > Remember when that shit was happening all the time, or even once, when Obama was President? Neither do I. Fuck you, Republicans, all of you. Fuck right the fuck off. Relevant [Cracked.com](http://Cracked.com) “Here’s Some News” video from November 2017: [Weird How Everyone President Trump Knows Does Crimes](http://www.cracked.com/video_20525_weird-how-everyone-president-trump-knows-does-crimes.html) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2639 "2018-02-19T03:48:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The thing is, when Nixon finally went, it was the Republicans who told him he had to go. > > [When the GOP Torpedoed Nixon](https://www.politico.com/story/2007/02/when-the-gop-torpedoed-nixon-002680)Why did Nixon lose Republican support? Today it’s not clear that the Republicans would desert thump even if he were convicted of shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. They would definitely be concerned and would criticize the President’s actions as “unhelpful”. What more could they possibly do? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2640 "2018-02-19T07:09:37Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > No but I do remember the tan suit. Same thing really. Also the mustard was a clear reveal of Obama’s anti-americanism. > > Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk And how can anyone forget Obama putting his feet up on the Resolute desk?!!?? :eek: Impeachment grounds right there! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2641 "2018-02-19T07:12:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What makes you think he would be convicted? New Yorker jury. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=131) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=133)