# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2822 "2018-02-28T19:26:33Z")
Finally. Mueller’s getting around\* to asking people “So … what did Trump mean when he publicly asked Russia to hack us? That was weird right?”\*\* > **[Mueller asking if Trump knew about hacked Dem emails before release](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mueller-asking-what-trump-knew-about-hacked-emails-n851941)** > > The special counsel's team is asking what candidate Trump knew about the hacked Democratic emails and when he knew it. > [@Katy Tur & Carol E Lee](#): > > Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team is asking witnesses pointed questions about whether Donald Trump was aware that Democratic emails had been stolen before that was publicly known, and whether he was involved in their strategic release, according to multiple people familiar with the probe. > > Mueller’s investigators have asked witnesses whether Trump was aware of plans for WikiLeaks to publish the emails. They have also asked about the relationship between GOP operative Roger Stone and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and why Trump took policy positions favorable to Russia. - At least that we’re being told publicly. This could have been going on for a while. \*\* Mueller’s probably using different language… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2823 "2018-02-28T19:32:01Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > “He ran over himself when his brakes failed.” I actually know someone that this happened to. He was trying to pull a stump out with his jeep, and hooked it up while standing behind it. Jeep rolled and messed him up pretty badly. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2824 "2018-02-28T20:11:22Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I actually know someone that this happened to. He was trying to pull a stump out with his jeep, and hooked it up while standing behind it. Jeep rolled and messed him up pretty badly. IIRC, something like that happened to Anton Yelchin (who played Chekov in the AbramsTrek reboot movies). ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2825 "2018-02-28T20:18:12Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > IIRC, something like that happened to Anton Yelchin (who played Chekov in the AbramsTrek reboot movies). Yep. Forgot to set the park brake, and it rolled into him and crushed his lungs. Maybe it’s partly because i drive a car with a manual transmission, but for me it’s basically reflex to pull the handbrake before exiting the driver’s seat of any car i’m driving. On a related note, [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoKO7HT-BWo) always cracks me up. I feel bad for laughing, because the poor woman looks like she took a pretty bad knock, but it’s comedy gold. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2826 "2018-02-28T20:21:02Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Here’s one. [Talking Points Memo](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hope-hicks-white-lies-trump). It’s pretty bad, but let’s be honest: do you think that there’s a single White House communications director in the past thirty of forty years who didn’t see their job in exactly the same way? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2827 "2018-02-28T20:33:07Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Yep. Forgot to set the park brake, and it rolled into him and crushed his lungs. Being fair to Yelchin, check out [this article](https://jalopnik.com/did-jeeps-recalled-gear-shifter-contribute-to-the-death-1782255715) about the transmission in question. Notably, this part: > [@](#): > > On the unusual mushroom-shaped gear shifter, a driver presses and holds a button and pushes the shifter all the way up to set the car in park, after which the shifter centers itself again. But Fiat Chrysler said the Jeep’s shifter design didn’t provide drivers with sufficient feedback for them to know what gear their car was in, and so some drivers just left the vehicles in neutral before exiting the car. I can drive a stick, but these days I drive an automatic, and I gotta say, having the shift lever re-center itself after you shift into park seems bizarre and disconcerting. It also seems like a needless “feature” that can only cause trouble. What’s the benefit? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2828 "2018-02-28T21:31:33Z")
New York’s banking regulator is now [seeking information](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/kushner-loan-details-sought-from-deutsche-bank-two-others-je7dvy2p) about Jared Kushner and the Kushner Company from Deutsche Bank and others. > [@Bloomberg](#): > > The state’s Department of Financial Services sent letters to the German lender as well as Signature Bank and New York Community Bank last week, said one of the people, who described the letter. The request was broad, covering the banks’ relationships with Kushner and his business properties; documents and communications about certain loan applications; and descriptions of the banks’ processes for approving Kushner loans. > > Kushner and his wife, Ivanka Trump, have taken on more debt in the past year at banks including Signature and New York Community, according to their recent government disclosures. > > Those two banks and Deutsche Bank are chartered in New York, placing them under the regulatory eye of the DFS. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2829 "2018-02-28T21:36:29Z")
Aaaaand the NYT has just broken that Hope Hicks will resign. No link yet. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2830 "2018-02-28T21:39:53Z")
The AP is showing it as a breaking story as well, **friedo** , but no link atm. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2831 "2018-02-28T21:41:59Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > New York’s banking regulator is now [seeking information](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/kushner-loan-details-sought-from-deutsche-bank-two-others-je7dvy2p) about Jared Kushner and the Kushner Company from Deutsche Bank and others. Ooooh. Possible state charges. That’s just a damned shame for Kushner. Trump can’t pardon those. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2832 "2018-02-28T21:45:45Z")
NY Times: > **[Hope Hicks to Leave Post as White House Communications Director (Published 2018)](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/hope-hicks-resign-communications-director.html)** > > Ms. Hicks, who had been considering a departure for several months, did not indicate what her next job would be, but she said that she plans to leave the White House in the next few weeks. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2833 "2018-02-28T21:46:55Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Ooooh. Possible state charges. That’s just a damned shame for Kushner. Trump can’t pardon those. New York AG Schneiderman is widely rumored to be pursuing multiple lines of investigation into Kushner, the Trump Organization, and related entities in close consultation with Mueller’s team at DOJ. Aside from the feds, New York has the most robust apparatus in the country for investigating and prosecuting financial crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2834 "2018-02-28T21:47:01Z")
[Well, well, well… what have we here](https://apnews.com/7ebe25d613a745b18404c41980511eac/Jailed-Instagram-model-wants-to-trade-secrets-for-freedom)? > [@](#): > > A Belarusian woman jailed in Thailand for offering sex lessons without a work permit says she has a story to tell involving the Kremlin, Russian billionaires and even the president of the United States. > > Anastasia Vashukevich, whose extraordinary claims and racy selfies have propelled her to internet fame in recent weeks, told The Associated Press from a police van Wednesday that she fears for her life, and wants to exchange information on alleged Russian ties to Donald Trump’s campaign for her own personal safety. But she refused for now to offer any such evidence, and it’s not clear if she has any. > [@](#): > > Vashukevich said she won’t give details of what she knows until she is guaranteed she won’t be sent to Russia. > > “I can say something only when I will be in a safe place, sorry, because I am worried about my life,” Vashukevich told the AP from a police van that was taking the detainees from Pattaya to Bangkok’s Immigration Detention Center. > > Vashukevich had earlier posted a video on Instagram, also apparently made while in custody in Pattaya, addressed to “Dear American media.” > > “I didn’t want to tell you about many things. Now they’re trying to lock us up,” she said. “But now I’m ready to put together all the pieces of the puzzle that you have been missing, and back it up with audio and video regarding the ties of our esteemed lawmakers with Manafort, Trump and all this buzz around the U.S. election. I know a lot.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2835 "2018-02-28T21:52:00Z")
> [@Celidin](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/hope-hicks-resign-communications-director.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/hope-hicks-resign-communications-director.html) “She told colleagues that … there would never be a perfect moment to leave.” Seems to me that admitting to lying on behalf of the Head Twit would qualify. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2836 "2018-02-28T22:04:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Well, well, well… what have we here](https://apnews.com/7ebe25d613a745b18404c41980511eac/Jailed-Instagram-model-wants-to-trade-secrets-for-freedom)? “Offering sex lessons without a work permit?” Is that what they’re calling that these days? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2837 "2018-02-28T22:29:24Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > “Offering sex lessons without a work permit?” Is that what they’re calling that these days? That sure as hell disproves “Those who can’t do, teach.” ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2838 "2018-02-28T22:46:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > This whole ship is going to sink. Exciting times ahead! Mueller is just the start. There is so much left we have to investigate. The entirety of Trump’s life. All his financial behaviors, his ties to the mafia, his sex crimes and sexual harassment. Same for his children. Their entire lives need to be investigated with a fine tooth comb The abuse of security clearances Using insecure communication devices in the white house Russian money ending up in the GOP, and what republicans knew about it Republican efforts to obstruct justice and cover up/block investigations into Trump-Russia ties. Russian ties to major politicians of all parties (check if Russia offered help to Sanders or Stein, and if anyone in their team knowingly accepted Russian help). Mueller will investigate some of this, but the rest still needs to be looked into. We need the FBI, state attorney generals, federal attorneys, congressional committees (after the democrats win one house of congress), etc. to investigate all of this, and prosecute when possible. If Russia and China were hoping that Trump could be used as an example for why democracy doesn’t work, maybe we can prove to them the power of a democratic system. If we have full investigations followed by arrest and incarceration of some of the most powerful people in America, then the average person in Russia and China may wonder why they can’t have that same kind of justice in their country. Why can’t they have investigations into corruption and criminal behavior among the powerful in Russia and China? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2839 "2018-02-28T22:52:53Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > If we have full investigations followed by arrest and incarceration of some of the most powerful people in America, then the average person in Russia and China may wonder why they can’t have that same kind of justice in their country. Why can’t they have investigations into corruption and criminal behavior among the powerful in Russia and China? Actually, the arrest and incarceration of some of the most powerful people in the country, spearheaded by their political opponents, is something that the average citizen of Russia and China (and any number of other countries, mostly Third World) would be very familiar with already. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2840 "2018-02-28T23:03:04Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Actually, the arrest and incarceration of some of the most powerful people in the country, spearheaded by their political opponents, is something that the average citizen of Russia and China (and any number of other countries, mostly Third World) would be very familiar with already. It’s a good thing that doesn’t accurately describe things happening in the US right now, otherwise you’d have a point. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2841 "2018-02-28T23:06:01Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Actually, the arrest and incarceration of some of the most powerful people in the country, spearheaded by their political opponents, is something that the average citizen of Russia and China (and any number of other countries, mostly Third World) would be very familiar with already. Given that the investigation being discussed in this thread is spearheaded by a Republican, you must be referring to what the Trumpeteers want to do regarding Benghazi and those emails. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=143)