# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 145
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2882 "2018-03-02T17:53:31Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > This politics and partisan crap is interesting in it’s own right. But my takeaway so far is that these motherfuckers (on the left AND the right) have been leveraging economic and political clout in this Global Economy bullshit on an unprecedented scale for nothing but personal gain since forever. Now the game’s finally gotten really big. Excessive greed and financial turmoil now makes it hard to go unnoticed. They are finally getting caught up due to their own greed and stupidity. Too much cloak-and-dagger, collusion and line-crossing has led to microscopic analysis they obvioulsy cannot handle. > > Please continue focusing the spotlight on your political target of choice - it is quite entertaining! 🙂 > > I say Fuck 'em all, on the left and the right. How do you propose we take on the rich and powerful who truly run everything? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2883 "2018-03-02T17:58:02Z")
With a well-regulated militia, of course. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2884 "2018-03-02T18:40:48Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If Speaker Ryan had any spine whatsoever (hah!) we would disband the House Intelligence Committee and start over. They’re entirely dysfunctional and completely devoid of any credibility. But then, so is he. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2885 "2018-03-02T18:43:49Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Russia has updated the script for the week. Yup yup, and also tossed in “Global Economy” (the super secret dog whistle for the Rothchilds and all the other Jews) for free. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2886 "2018-03-02T18:52:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Is great observation. You come tomorrow, turn page again. We thank you, most helpful! > > Best warm regards, > USA friend Vinyl too subtle? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2887 "2018-03-02T19:07:30Z")
Oh please oh please oh please. > **[Mueller asking if Kushner business ties influenced White House policy](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/mueller-team-asking-if-kushner-foreign-business-ties-influenced-trump-n852681)** > > The special counsel wants to know if Jared Kushner's business meetings with Qataris and others during the presidential transition influenced Trump policy. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2888 "2018-03-02T19:32:38Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oh please oh please oh please. > > [Mueller team asking if Kushner foreign business ties influenced Trump policy](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/mueller-team-asking-if-kushner-foreign-business-ties-influenced-trump-n852681) I mean, the only reason I think that this might not be true is that nobody could be this stupid. - “While Qatari officials were in Washington last month, they came armed with materials they said showed the UAE has worked against their government, including information involving Kushner, people familiar with the matter said. They debated for days whether to turn it over to Mueller but felt their meetings with U.S. officials had been productive and so decided against it, these people said.”\* ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2889 "2018-03-02T19:38:52Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I mean, the only reason I think that this might not be true is that nobody could be this stupid. > > - > > “While Qatari officials were in Washington last month, they came armed with materials they said showed the UAE has worked against their government, including information involving Kushner, people familiar with the matter said. They debated for days whether to turn it over to Mueller but felt their meetings with U.S. officials had been productive and so decided against it, these people said.”\* Welcome to 2018. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2890 "2018-03-02T19:46:01Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > : > But I realized that this is what going to take out Kushner. His family won’t be able to conduct business. Every transaction will be scrutinized. These companies aren’t going to loan to Kushner. Even if it’s a good project with high returns and low risk. Because every transaction will be put under the microscope. > > And it will could open up other transactions to scrutiny. And NONE of these companies are clean. They all cheat to some extent and everyone knows it, but if the press gets onto you, you’re on your own. Look at that Shkreli asshole. What he did with the drug prices was amoral but legal - but he called attention to himself and investigators went through his company and found the stuff that was illegal but not necessarily amoral. And they all do it. > > So Kushner will have to walk away. As will his wife. And that’s probably not happening. This is, I think, the worst thing yet in Kushners Worst Week Ever. And it’s only Wednesday. This explains something odd I read earlier today. The HuffPost said that it’s rumored Cadet Bone Spurs has asked or is about to ask Kelly to oust Jared and Ivanka. I’d post a link, but that’s really all the item said – it linked to a longer article that mentioned the same thing without any corroboration. So Jared and Ivanka can’t walk away without it looking like they’re admitting they did all the illegal stuff they actually did do. Cadet Bone Spurs can’t fire them without it looking like they actually did all the illegal stuff they did. But if Kelly fires them because of Jared’s security clearance, then it’s all “They did a great job. Wonderful people. It’s a shame the corrupt FBI was too busy playing games with security clearances when they should have been protecting schoolkids, but what can you do?” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2891 "2018-03-02T19:52:07Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > nobody could be this stupid. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2892 "2018-03-02T19:56:20Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > To be fair, it was a pretty dumb thing for her to say. True, Trump says 15 dumb things before breakfast, so he’s not really in the best position to criticize her. But, still, saying you lie on behalf of the President is quite stupid. But remember, folks, he hires the best people. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2893 "2018-03-02T20:14:55Z")
Pretty sure it was the pest people. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2894 "2018-03-02T20:18:54Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **BeenJammin** said > Should be “its.” The possessive, in this case, does not take an apostrophe. “It’s” is a contraction of “it is.” Did you know that? Just being helpful. Difficult it is for Russians to catch nuances of the English. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2895 "2018-03-02T22:55:35Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > To be fair, it was a pretty dumb thing for her to say. True, Trump says 15 dumb things before breakfast, so he’s not really in the best position to criticize her. But, still, saying you lie on behalf of the President is quite stupid. And the stupid continues… > [@TPM](#): > > Reps. Chris Stewart (R-UT) and Tom Rooney (R-FL) say Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee questioned White House Communications Director Hope Hicks in a manner that forced her to acknowledge she sometimes tells “white lies” for President Donald Trump. > > “It truly was just a setup of this witness, who was trying to be forthright and honest,” … > > \ > > “They sent her down a rabbit hole that she could not get out of. And it was completely unfair,” Rooney told CBS News. “I think the fair representation is that it was a setup: Use an extremely gratuitously broad question to make her look bad and ignore the rest of the nine hours that we were down there,” > **[House Intel Republicans: Hicks ‘White Lies’ Admission Was A ‘Setup’ By Dems](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-intel-republicans-claim-hicks-set-up-dems)** > > Reps. Chris Stewart (R-UT) and Tom Rooney (R-FL) say Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee questioned White House Communications Director Hope Hicks in a manner that forced her to acknowledge… Yes, that poor, poor senior administration official who could not possibly have expected tricky questions from the professional politicians and lawyers who had called her to testify about possible criminal wrongdoing. How could she have known that they would try to trip her up with questions about whether she had ever lied on behalf of the person at the center of the investigation? I mean, that’s totally, totally unfair. And then they publicized her remarks in a way that was most favorable to their version of the facts. Why, that’s something the White House Director of Communications could never have predicted. Such a setup! So unfair! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2896 "2018-03-05T10:26:25Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > _“While Qatari officials were in Washington last month, they came armed with materials they said showed the UAE has worked against their government, including information involving Kushner, people familiar with the matter said. They debated for days whether to turn it over to Mueller but felt their meetings with U.S. officials had been productive and so decided against it, these people said.”_ I feel for them. It’s terrible how some countries might use bribery and underhanded tactics to further their agendas in a way that may unfairly affect Qatar…and at a time when Qatar is busy preparing to host its totally-legitimately-earned FIFA World Cup Championship in 2022 too. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2897 "2018-03-05T14:50:32Z")
Christopher Steele has alleged that Russia intervened in the [Secretary of State decision](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russia-takes-credit-for-getting-trump-to-reject-mitt-romney-as-secretary-of-state-report/article/2650674). Trump wanted Romney, and Russia wanted Tillerson. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2898 "2018-03-05T15:15:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Is he going to go quietly or is **thump** goin’ to have to muss him up? > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **BeenJammin** said > Should be “its.” The possessive, in this case, does not take an apostrophe. “It’s” is a contraction of “it is.” Did you know that? Just being helpful. Yeah, and? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2899 "2018-03-05T16:08:40Z")
“thump” is **ThelmaLou** ’s way of saying Trump. Why? God knows. Kind of like whatsisname’s “let’s throw stuff down into the quarry” thing, it’s funny to literally one person: the poster him/herself. I wish she’d stop because it makes me roll my eyes every time, even though I hate the guy as much as she does. But it’s purposeful, is what I’m saying. Unlike the incredibly minor “its” mistake. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2900 "2018-03-05T16:21:49Z")
> [@choie](#): > > “thump” is **ThelmaLou** ’s way of saying Trump. Why? God knows. Kind of like whatsisname’s “let’s throw stuff down into the quarry” thing, it’s funny to literally one person: the poster him/herself. I wish she’d stop because it makes me roll my eyes every time, even though I hate the guy as much as she does. > > But it’s purposeful, is what I’m saying. Unlike the incredibly minor “its” mistake. Some people, myself included, have taken a vow never to say or type his last name again. I’ll call him Donald or T\*\*\*p but never type his full name and certainly never refer to him by the office that he pretends to hold. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/2901 "2018-03-05T16:24:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Some people, myself included, have taken a vow never to say or type his last name again. I’ll call him Donald or T\*\*\*p but never type his full name and certainly never refer to him by the office that he pretends to hold. Yeah, a friend calls him ‘it’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=144) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=146)