# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 166
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3302 "2018-03-16T17:46:29Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > Trump is now his own competition - he’s the Hussein Bolt of Stupid! 😃 Okay - “Hussein Bolt”? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3303 "2018-03-16T17:59:38Z")
**BeenJammin** is the Yogi Berra of malapropisms. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3304 "2018-03-16T18:11:28Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > **BeenJammin** is the Yogi Berra of malapropisms. Excuse me, his name is Yogert Berra. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Okay - “Hussein Bolt”? You know, Hussein Barack Bolt? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3305 "2018-03-16T18:12:49Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Excuse me, his name is Yogert Berra. Mmmm… berry yoghurt… ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3306 "2018-03-16T18:13:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > No one thinks the Trump campaign hacked the DNC. No one has ever thought that. And even though Trump stood onstage in front of TV cameras and jokingly asked the Russians to get Clinton’s emails, nobody thinks the Russians were doing his direct bidding. This is all revisionist nonsense. There were any number of people who thought these exact things. It’s trivial to find them on this very message board, if you’re not trying to back away from it without anyone noticing. Guy claiming that (the dossier alleges that) Trump paid for the DNC hackers [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=19915469#post19915469). (This was defended in subsequent posts.) Woman (one of the Great Minds of recent discussions here, actually) claiming that Trump meant the “get Clinton’s emails” literally [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20094182#post20094182) (and again, supported in subsequent discussion). I understand the motivation to rewrite history when it’s not panning out the way you were so confident that it would. But the proper approach is to face up to it. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3307 "2018-03-16T18:16:07Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Excuse me, his name is Yogert Berra. There was a frozen yogurt place near where I used to live called Humphrey Yogart. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3308 "2018-03-16T18:19:59Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > There was a frozen yogurt place near where I used to live called Humphrey Yogart. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3309 "2018-03-16T18:23:02Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I understand the motivation to rewrite history when it’s not panning out the way you were so confident that it would. But the proper approach is to face up to it. History hasn’t “panned out” at all yet. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3310 "2018-03-16T18:30:32Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > …[snip]… But the proper approach is to face up to it. You first, dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3311 "2018-03-16T18:47:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > History hasn’t “panned out” at all yet. That’s true, and you never know. But the point is that the initial excitement was over the notion that Trump was implicated in stuff much more serious than what we’re talking about now. As time elapsed without anything coming forth along those lines, there’s been something of a fallback to focusing on how this other stuff is also Very Bad. Which is fine in and of itself, but should be acknowledged as the fallback position that it is, and without bogus claims that “no one ever thought” what were once widely held positions. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3312 "2018-03-16T18:53:49Z")
Mueller has just subpoenaed the Trump Organization for records concerning their Russia dealings. No idea where your confidence comes from, unless it’s from only watching Fox. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3313 "2018-03-16T18:55:16Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s true, and you never know. > > But the point is that the initial excitement was over the notion that Trump was implicated in stuff much more serious than what we’re talking about now. As time elapsed without anything coming forth along those lines, there’s been something of a fallback to focusing on how this other stuff is also Very Bad. Which is fine in and of itself, but should be acknowledged as the fallback position that it is, and without bogus claims that “no one ever thought” what were once widely held positions. I don’t think this is good analysis. At the beginning of the investigation, virtually nothing was known. No indictments, no plea deals, etc. So of course there’s lots of wild speculation. There was also plenty of assertions that this would turn up nothing significant. Now, it’s clear, I think, that it’s turning up a lot of criminal behavior. It’s not clear how much of that is linked to Trump, and how closely, but now that we know a lot more, then it refines the speculation and theorizing a bit. I think that’s a pretty logical progression for observers, and not “fallback”. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3314 "2018-03-16T18:58:18Z")
I’ve been saying for almost two years now that Donald Trump is a Putin Patsy, a Russian agent (wittingly or otherwise), who is doing his best to destroy the NATO alliance and the United States while swimming in a sea of money from the Russian Mob. Nothing that’s come out in the last two years, including what little we’ve heard from the Mueller Investigation, has disproved those accusations. The fact that Mueller has not yet publicly charged Donald with anything doesn’t mean that those charges are not pending or under investigation, as evidenced by the recent subpoena for Trump Organization. But you go ahead and keep fucking that chicken, Barmy. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3315 "2018-03-16T19:02:08Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > I’ve been saying for almost two years now that Donald Trump is a Putin Patsy, a Russian agent (wittingly or otherwise), who is doing his best to destroy the NATO alliance and the United States while swimming in a sea of money from the Russian Mob. Hey, don’t look at me. Right now there’s people claiming this is and has always been all about some lower level relatively minor collusion. You’re really being dissed here - it’s almost like you don’t even exist. Go tell 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3316 "2018-03-16T19:34:18Z")
I know that I don’t exist. I’m cool with it. Your problem is that you and your endless Donald apologia also exist. We can all see who it is in all these threads who has been making excuses, carrying water, playing “what about …” and just generally promoting Donald’s talking points for the last two years. That would be you, Barmy. You’re the one spreading Donald’s bullshit around. And we can all see it. Everyone knows that horrible, constant, stench is coming from you. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3317 "2018-03-16T19:35:45Z")
Well I’m cool with that too. So all is good. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3318 "2018-03-16T21:47:35Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Hey, don’t look at me. Right now there’s people claiming this is and has always been all about some lower level relatively mino And there are people that believe all the lunar landings were hoaxes. So fucking what? Keep spreading the disinformation. Who is it that commonly said “people say” or “I have heard” to legitimize outlandish claims when speaking in public. I will accept Mueller if his conclusion is there is “no there there”. Tons of smoke but no fire. I rate that deeply unlikely but I will accept it (unlike say the “Nunes” charade). By the same token, it is highly likely that Mueller’s investigation will conclusively prove that Trump and his org and his family are up to their eyeballs in money laundering and bailouts from Russia. We are not talking about collusion or even obstruction, although let the evidence be shown. What we are talking about is a \*traitor \*selling out America to our long standing rival and enemy (with some periods of detente) Russia. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3319 "2018-03-16T21:54:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Mueller has just subpoenaed the Trump Organization for records concerning their Russia dealings. No idea where your confidence comes from, unless it’s from only watching Fox. Additionally, Drumpf Junior’s wife is filing for divorce and has hired a criminal lawyer. Interesting choice of attorneys, if it’s ONLY for divorce proceedings. Hmmmm ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3320 "2018-03-16T22:48:34Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Additionally, Drumpf Junior’s wife is filing for divorce and has hired a criminal lawyer. Interesting choice of attorneys, if it’s ONLY for divorce proceedings. > Hmmmm A \*criminal \*lawyer?? Interesting. The plot thickens. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3321 "2018-03-16T23:11:05Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > A \*criminal \*lawyer?? Interesting. The plot thickens. Well, they’re basically all criminals. But Vanessa Trump has [reportedly retained](https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/16/curious-vanessa-trump-hires-a-criminal-defense-attorney-to-handle-her-divorce-from-donald-trump-jr/) David Feureisen, a criminal defense lawyer, to represent her during the divorce. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=165) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=167)