# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3582 "2018-03-30T00:18:05Z")
[Cohen’s lawyer says that the Stormy NDA wasn’t an attorney-client relationship](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/michael-cohens-lawyer-suggests-that-michael-cohen-is-not-trumps-lawyer.html) - Mueller can now ask lots of questions, if it is in scope. Apparently, the only lawyers worse than Trump’s lawyers are Trump’s lawyers’ lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3583 "2018-03-30T00:43:07Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > [Cohen’s lawyer says that the Stormy NDA wasn’t an attorney-client relationship](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/michael-cohens-lawyer-suggests-that-michael-cohen-is-not-trumps-lawyer.html) - Mueller can now ask lots of questions, if it is in scope. > > Apparently, the only lawyers worse than Trump’s lawyers are Trump’s lawyers’ lawyers. Yo, dawg, I heard you like lawyers so I put lawyers in your lawyers so you can lawyer while you’re lawyerin’. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3584 "2018-03-30T01:08:12Z")
I bet Trump’s Lawyer’s Lawyer doesn’t make it past Easter. Or is this just more than that 19-dimension hyper chess being played by Trump, He Who Is Most Blessed With a GMOAT? Good grief. If Trump wasn’t such a vile person, I might feel bad for him. But he is so I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3585 "2018-03-30T01:11:03Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > [Cohen’s lawyer says that the Stormy NDA wasn’t an attorney-client relationship](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/michael-cohens-lawyer-suggests-that-michael-cohen-is-not-trumps-lawyer.html) - Mueller can now ask lots of questions, if it is in scope. So Mikey found out his good friend Don had sex with a porn star and his reaction was to pay her a visit with a non-disclosure contract and a six-figure check. You know, like any friend would do. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3586 "2018-03-30T02:44:27Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I see this is following the pattern of previous exchanges with you. I’m going to respond this once, but probably not after that. > > If Mueller is pressuring witnesses to say “what he thinks happened”, then from his perspective he’s pressuring them to tell the truth. Anyone pressuring anyone else to tell the truth is pressuring them to say what he believes is the truth. > > This is SOP for prosecutors. There’s no prosecutor in the world who tells his target “I’ll offer you the exact same deal regardless of whether your testimony implicates other people who I think are guilty or doesn’t”. That would be silly. > > If you want to educate yourself about this matter you can read a couple of scholarly articles on the subject that I linked in an earlier post (or any number of other articles out there which are readily available - this is a known issue). If you’re unwilling or unable to do so then we’re done. You said what you did about the life-altering consequences and the acclaim and what not as though it were somehow interesting or alarming. But here you explain he’s just doing exactly what all prosecutors do, completely ethically and unremarkably. Why would you have made such a boring statement in the first place, if it was indeed, this completely boring, obvious and inconsequential statement you were in fact making (as you now claim)? Your behavior puzzles me 😉 Myself, I try to say interesting things that are significant to the conversation and will add to people’s knowledge. I thought that was how conversation worked! ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3587 "2018-03-30T02:59:54Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You know, like any friend would do. Are you telling me that you have never mortgaged your house to pay off an affair as a surprise gift for a friend? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3588 "2018-03-30T12:14:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > So Mikey found out his good friend Don had sex with a porn star and his reaction was to pay her a visit with a non-disclosure contract and a six-figure check. You know, like any friend would do. I get the sense that Mikey is headed for a criminal indictment; it’s just a matter of which one. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3589 "2018-03-30T12:32:16Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Apparently, the only lawyers worse than Trump’s lawyers are Trump’s lawyers’ lawyers. Picture him sharing a cell with George Bluth: “I have the \*worst \*fucking attorneys.” ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3590 "2018-03-30T12:51:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Picture him sharing a cell with George Bluth: “I have the \*worst \*fucking attorneys.” Yup, and there’s not much to boast about his other attorneys, either. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3591 "2018-03-30T13:55:13Z")
When you have a reputation of neither listening to nor paying your attorneys, it isn’t surprising that you aren’t that attractive a client. Add to that the likelihood of getting your ass kicked in a high profile case, then you have to wonder how he even got the guys that he has. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3592 "2018-03-30T15:09:17Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Sessions won’t appoint a second special counsel to investigate Hillary and the FBI](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/politics/sessions-prosecutor-fbi-misconduct-clinton-uranium-one-special-counsel/index.html); **Nunes weeps bitter tears.** Shaka. When the walls fell. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3593 "2018-03-30T15:49:36Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Shaka. When the walls fell. fell? they haven’t even been built yet! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3594 "2018-03-30T15:58:05Z")
We’re going to make the Tamarians pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3595 "2018-03-30T16:14:35Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When you have a reputation of neither listening to nor paying your attorneys, it isn’t surprising that you aren’t that attractive a client. … “Fame and fortune” notwithstanding, eh? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3596 "2018-03-30T16:22:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > We’re going to make the Tamarians pay for it. Zinda, his face black, his eyes red. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3597 "2018-03-30T16:39:03Z")
Yes, and in their version if Bob says “Joe and I committed this crime me together, here’s how we did it” and Joe says, “not only did I not commit a crime, I’ve never met Bob”, there’s a 50-50 chance that Joe is lying and. 50-50 chance that Bob is lying. So if the investigator seems to believe Bobs version, he’s biased. Because people are just as likely to say they are guilty when they are innocent as the reverse. And in their world, hearsay and circumstantial evidence must be ignored completely or else the investigation is biased. Even though that’s how most investigations start, investigators use that info to find the info that’s admissible in court. And any testimony that comes from anyone that’s ever uttered a negative word against the target should be ignored. And investigators should “let the whole thing go” if someone can vouch for the target being a good person. But these investigators aren’t following ANY of those rules, so they are biased against the criminals and their work should be thrown out. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3598 "2018-03-30T17:34:06Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Shaka. When the walls fell. Nice!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3599 "2018-03-30T18:46:35Z")
Roger Stone associate Ted Malloch, who was once touted as US Ambassador to the EU, questioned at Boston airport by the FBI as he landed coming back from London, and subpoenaed to talk to Mueller. > **[FBI questions Ted Malloch, Trump campaign figure and Farage ally](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/30/fbi-questions-ted-malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally)** > > American once touted as possible ambassador to EU tells of being detained at Boston airport and subpoenaed by Robert Mueller’s Trump-Russia inquiry ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3600 "2018-03-30T18:59:39Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Yes, and in their version if Bob says “Joe and I committed this crime me together, here’s how we did it” and Joe says, “not only did I not commit a crime, I’ve never met Bob”, there’s a 50-50 chance that Joe is lying and. 50-50 chance that Bob is lying. So if the investigator seems to believe Bobs version, he’s biased. Because people are just as likely to say they are guilty when they are innocent as the reverse. > > And in their world, hearsay and circumstantial evidence must be ignored completely or else the investigation is biased. Even though that’s how most investigations start, investigators use that info to find the info that’s admissible in court. And any testimony that comes from anyone that’s ever uttered a negative word against the target should be ignored. > > And investigators should “let the whole thing go” if someone can vouch for the target being a good person. But these investigators aren’t following ANY of those rules, so they are biased against the criminals and their work should be thrown out. I believe you have an excellent grasp of the essence of the thing. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3601 "2018-04-02T20:32:43Z")
Roger Stone says that his claims that he met with Julian Assange were a joke. > **[Report: Mueller Probing Roger Stone’s Claim of Meeting Assange](https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-mueller-probing-roger-stones-claim-of-meeting-assange)** > > Stone says the claim was a joke and that he never actually met with the WikiLeaks founder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=181)