# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 184
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3662 "2018-04-09T22:54:50Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I wonder what Faux news has to say about this raid. Anyone care to look at that? I really don’t want to, and if it comes down to it I’m just not that curious. But I am, you know, a _little_ curious. Lou Dobbs starts in five minutes but I… I… I just can’t. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3663 "2018-04-09T22:55:29Z")
Currently the top story of [FoxNews.com](http://FoxNews.com): **TRUMP BASHES FBI RAID President: ‘Disgraceful’ that feds are targeting Cohen, under scrutiny over Stormy Daniels payments** ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3664 "2018-04-09T22:59:04Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I wonder what Faux news has to say about this raid. Anyone care to look at that? I really don’t want to, and if it comes down to it I’m just not that curious. But I am, you know, a _little_ curious. There is probably a car chase in, uh, Florida that, uh… Obama… is chasing the deep state… And, like, tariffs are good for farmers… Ah fuck it. Parody and extremism being indistinguishable and all. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3665 "2018-04-09T23:03:01Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I wonder what Faux news has to say about this raid. Anyone care to look at that? I really don’t want to, and if it comes down to it I’m just not that curious. But I am, you know, a _little_ curious. Napolitano is saying that the judge must have had strong evidence that a crime had been committed to issue the warrant. No succor in Fox News, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3666 "2018-04-09T23:04:12Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The point of both being that the “raise the question” usage, unambiguously indicated by a key following phrase (in this case, “begs the question _of why_ …”) can no longer be regarded as “wrong” Awww… > [@](#): > > without risk of being hopelessly pedantic… Yay, loophole! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3667 "2018-04-09T23:05:31Z")
Thank you, brave souls for having a look there! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3668 "2018-04-09T23:06:42Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As for what the raid is about: some are pointing out that attorney-client privilege would be expected to protect Cohen against FBI raids … except in the case of the “crime-fraud exception to the privilege” being invoked. Or, according to **Popehat** , there could be a firewalled attorney who reviews the seized documents such that the FBI team only gets to see the documents that aren’t covered by privilege. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3669 "2018-04-09T23:10:46Z")
I think Jack McCoy once said that there’s a difference between being a criminal _lawyer_ and a _criminal_ lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3670 "2018-04-09T23:10:56Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Currently the top story of [FoxNews.com](http://FoxNews.com): **TRUMP BASHES FBI RAID President: ‘Disgraceful’ that feds are targeting Cohen, under scrutiny over Stormy Daniels payments** [Picture from CNN](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180409184118-trump-military-briefing-syria-0409-large-tease.jpg) of Trump making that pronouncement during the Syria briefing. The pic is notable because of the background – this must be the only known picture of The Fearsome Mustache apparently smiling. It’s not clear if the The Fearsome Mustache is amused, bemused, or just flabbergasted by his boss. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3671 "2018-04-09T23:27:46Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I think Jack McCoy once said that there’s a difference between being a criminal _lawyer_ and a _criminal_ lawyer. I thought that was Jesse Pinkman. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3672 "2018-04-09T23:29:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/costareports/status/983461712279097345?s=19) > > “Briefly reached a WH official. Official said the WH doesn’t have a strategy for the Comey book. Paused. Then said that should answer my question of what’s the strategy for dealing with Cohen news.” Trump sort of does: say that everything is a partisan lie being wielded by his political enemies. That’ll play to his base, but whether it’ll be enough remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3673 "2018-04-09T23:35:08Z")
We know about the hush payments to cover up Trump’s extra-marital affairs. I think we’re about to find out all the other things Cohen did to sanitize Trump’s past in the run up to the 2016 election. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3674 "2018-04-09T23:35:10Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > [Picture from CNN](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180409184118-trump-military-briefing-syria-0409-large-tease.jpg) of Trump making that pronouncement during the Syria briefing. The pic is notable because of the background – this must be the only known picture of The Fearsome Mustache apparently smiling. It’s not clear if the The Fearsome Mustache is amused, bemused, or just flabbergasted by his boss. Wait, come to think of it, [smiling a lot is what sycophants do](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-korea/kim-jong-un-after-missile-test-entire-world-looks-so-n762846). [Yes, yes it is!](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/trump-takes-credit-for-pences-competent-debate-performance.html) ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3675 "2018-04-09T23:54:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > They raided his home, office and hotel. Which begs the question of why a guy who lives and works in New York City also needs a hotel room in New York City. The NY Times article says his apartment is under renovation, so nothing odd about it. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3676 "2018-04-09T23:58:22Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Or, according to **Popehat** , there could be a firewalled attorney who reviews the seized documents such that the FBI team only gets to see the documents that aren’t covered by privilege. Wouldn’t be surprising; they really want to be sure that what they’re doing is above suspicion. (To reasonable people, anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3677 "2018-04-10T00:39:40Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Trump is on TV as we speak, ranting about the Cohen raid. I think Mueller really hit a nerve. > > He just mentioned the Sessions recusal again, for crissake. That means Meuller has him scared. Trump is used to people he can threaten and bully into submission, people who fear him or are owned by him. Now he is being forced to deal with someone on an equal playing field, without having a gross advantage and he hates it. Between Mueller and Stormy, they have him freaked out because he isn’t in charge. It isn’t his rules this time and he can’t just change (I mean break) them to suit himself. Fuck him. And Cohen too. They should both go to prison, and they should have gone long ago. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3678 "2018-04-10T00:51:56Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > … > They should both go to prison, and they should have gone long ago. The truth. Just wait until those stubby little fingers get on Twitter tonight. There’s going to be WORDS in ALL CAPS and poor sentence structure. UNFAIR. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3679 "2018-04-10T00:55:29Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > We know about the hush payments to cover up Trump’s extra-marital affairs. I think we’re about to find out all the other things Cohen did to sanitize Trump’s past in the run up to the 2016 election. Didn’t Bannon say that 100 women had been paid off? Also Cohen threatens people, so who knows what threats he has made for Trump’s benefits. Also supposedly there were 130k in suspicious payments made to the Trump org around the same time Cohen used 130k in his own money to pay off Daniels. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3680 "2018-04-10T00:59:55Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > I thought that was Jesse Pinkman. He was _quoting_ Jack McCoy. (Seriously, that line has been part of my mental detritus since _way_ before Breaking Bad came along.) ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/3681 "2018-04-10T01:02:34Z")
I wonder if Trump saying “I didnt know about any payment” a few days ago triggered this in some way, by contradicting something or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=183) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=185)