# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 228
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4542 "2018-05-10T04:02:21Z")
And because three time’s the charm… I like the following tidbit from this [article:](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/386998-nunes-gowdy-to-get-classified-briefing-on-mueller-documents) > [@](#): > > Nunes went on to suggest that “the only thing left to do” is hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt for failing to produce the documents. 🙂 Seeing two reprehensible foulards goin at it is an ouroboros kinda entertainment. Of sorts. Yeah brutal day, alright. Apologies - my previuous two posts shuld have been in the clusterfuck thread. ETA: thanks, **jasg**. Coulda sworn I googled that topic with politco. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4543 "2018-05-10T13:56:37Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > So pointing out that an insult isn’t appropriate indicates that it is appropriate? Rather typical FP “logic.” It’s also a quite cowardly strategy to suggest that someone shouldn’t defend themselves. But you calling anyone else on this board besides **Clothahump** stupid would also be inappropriate. You actually have to show some signs of being capable of logical thought for that to be effective. ISTM that you’re implying that I’ve called you stupid. I don’t know where you could get that from, and I rather incline to think you’ve just adopted that pretense in order to enable this riposte, such as it is. But it’s worth dwelling on a bit. The fact is that I’ve not called you stupid and I’ve said in an earlier exchange that you’re not stupid, so I wouldn’t call you stupid. There are many people who, when insulting people, just string together a bunch of really nasty terms, in a colorful manner if they can, and let it fly and hope for the best. But that’s not my approach. My own policy if such exchanges should unfortunately become necessary, is to tell the truth, as in all other situations. Partly because this approach conforms to my moral principles, but also partly because I think it’s more effective, as it was here. The fact is that there are any number of participants in these threads, including some posters on this very page, who are genuinely limited intellectually. Guys who are lucky if they can achieve basic comprehension in the news items that they rush to post here as the latest Big News about Trump’s Impending Downfall. I have no qualms calling these people idiots, because they are. And at some level, they know it. I’m sure they judge themselves favorably on that score, and I wouldn’t be surprised if one reason they post to threads like this is so that they can, in the company of people who strongly agree with them on the key issues, feel a bit smarter than they otherwise do going through life. But people get a lot of feedback on intelligence, even more so than in other matters, whether from school or career or similar, and there’s no doubt that these people have at least a niggling feeling that just maybe they’re not as high up amongst the intelligentsia as they’d like to think. But you’re a smart guy. It would be silly for me to call you stupid even if my principles allowed for it, and had I done so it would not have provoked the same reaction, because your sense of yourself as a pretty smart guy is solidly grounded, and it would have been a lot easier for you to brush off. But even smart guys can have issues, as you do. And in your case, as we’ve discussed in the past, one core issue is that your self-esteem is bound up in your image of yourself as an erudite sage. I speculate further (and I emphasize that this part is speculation, though it’s a common basis) that you may have been relatively unsuccessful at other areas of life and at your age you realize that that’s not likely to change, so all your eggs are in the know-it-all basket, so to speak. But it makes no difference what the cause is. It is what it is and at some level you know it. And the irony is that this very fragility of your ego is what makes you so vulnerable. That’s how life works, sometimes. (In the limited time from when I got the email indicating your response to when I previewed my response you had [written three substantively different versions of a one-line post](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks), and that’s without even allowing for time for you to clean some spittle off your monitor.) Hence my earlier advice to you. Stew all you want, but at least don’t show it and make an implicit acknowledgement. Just advice, of course. You can take it or leave it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4544 "2018-05-10T14:06:27Z")
Christ almighty, you’re like a human sleep gas grenade. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4545 "2018-05-10T14:11:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Christ almighty, you’re like a human sleep gas grenade. It’s like [magic](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0010.html)! ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4546 "2018-05-10T14:20:22Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > …that you may have been relatively unsuccessful at other areas of life and at your age you realize that that’s not likely to change,)… Dude, boring and incredibly wrong is no way to go through life. I’m not gonna dox Colibri, but this speculation of yours is way off base. He has achieved quite a bit in his professional life that I know about, and I don’t even really know the guy. If you’re going to make up stuff to insult him about, try another area. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4547 "2018-05-10T14:30:58Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > … > > The fact is that there are any number of participants in these threads, including some posters on this very page, who are genuinely limited intellectually. Guys who are lucky if they can achieve basic comprehension in the news items that they rush to post here as the latest Big News about Trump’s Impending Downfall. I have no qualms calling these people idiots, because they are. And at some level, they know it. > … It must be exciting being the smartest guy in a message board full of idiots. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4548 "2018-05-10T14:55:49Z")
_triggered_ ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4549 "2018-05-10T14:59:31Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Dude, boring and incredibly wrong is no way to go through life. I’m not gonna dox Colibri, but this speculation of yours is way off base. He has achieved quite a bit in his professional life that I know about, and I don’t even really know the guy. If you’re going to make up stuff to insult him about, try another area. Sounds like classic projection by **F-P** to me, to be honest. I mean, it’s all speculation, of course, and " I emphasize that this part is speculation". But while we’re sitting here playing armchair psychologists in order to insult other posters, hey, it sounds good to me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4550 "2018-05-10T16:31:43Z")
_\_ Why do you people keep engaging with F-P? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4551 "2018-05-10T16:58:58Z")
Because SA is taking a break. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4552 "2018-05-10T17:28:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _\_ > > Why do you people keep engaging with F-P? Can you please post this to all the threads where he’s devoted hundreds of posts just to say “Nothing to see here. It’ll all blow over. Ignore all those facts. Nothing to see here, folks, keep moving…” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4553 "2018-05-10T19:43:55Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Christ almighty, you’re like a human sleep gas grenade. I nearly sprained my thumb scrolling past that Wall-O-Text[sup]TM[/sup]. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4554 "2018-05-10T20:08:43Z")
When I was in HS we had a reader with a bunch of plays, one of which was called The Rainmaker. There was a memorable line when the old maid daughter tells the father that when she sees File (the eligible deputy sheriff) “he makes a point of ignoring me”. To which the father responded “if he makes a point of ignoring you, then he’s not really ignoring you.” A bunch of guys post to say that something was so boring and they didn’t read it … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4555 "2018-05-10T20:31:29Z")
Like Jesus, he is now speaking in parables. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4556 "2018-05-10T20:35:01Z")
Actually I could have just written the parable in the first paragraph, as the intention should have been obvious for people of reasonable intelligence. The second paragraph was added for the benefit of people like yourself. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4557 "2018-05-10T20:35:57Z")
Man and I thought the play itself was boring. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4558 "2018-05-10T20:36:46Z")
Run along Cyrus. Come back tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4559 "2018-05-10T20:36:47Z")
I rise to speak on behalf of F-P. I think asahi and F-P serve as guard rails for this discussion. Asahi on the left is the boundary, beyond which is tin-foil-hat left-wing paranoia. F-P is kind of a devil’s advocate, always giving the not-completely-unreasonable (although usually wrong) right-wing interpretation of the days’ events. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4560 "2018-05-10T20:38:03Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > When I was in HS we had a reader with a bunch of plays, one of which was called The Rainmaker. There was a memorable line when the old maid daughter tells the father that when she sees File (the eligible deputy sheriff) “he makes a point of ignoring me”. To which the father responded “if he makes a point of ignoring you, then he’s not really ignoring you.” That’s not even wrong. Ignoring someone requires a conscious effort, the “making a point to ignore” her. The alternative is not noticing her so if he runs her down it will be a surprise for him. “I didn’t see her but I felt a bump like I had run over a dog.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4561 "2018-05-10T21:27:19Z")
I try not to run over anything larger than a chihuahua, bad for tire alignment. Sometimes, their owner will yank fiercely on the leash, which gets them out of the path but snaps the little fuckers neck. Warms my heart, it does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=227) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=229)