# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 244
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4862 "2018-05-29T18:05:34Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Well, it only took a few pages, but you are coming around. I consider it progress! This is dishonest on your part. I’ve pointed out earlier that I’ve never claimed or even implied that Mueller had nothing. If you can find something, in many posts I’ve posted on the subject, which suggests that Mueller had nothing and was just picking people out of a phone book or the like, then you could make some claim to intellectual honesty. But you can’t, and are just taking a cheap shot. Not that you stand out in this regard from the majority of posters to these threads. But I had thought you were a cut above the rabble. I guess not. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4863 "2018-05-29T18:41:48Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > This is dishonest on your part. > > I’ve pointed out earlier that I’ve never claimed or even implied that Mueller had nothing. If you can find something, in many posts I’ve posted on the subject, which suggests that Mueller had nothing and was just picking people out of a phone book or the like, then you could make some claim to intellectual honesty. But you can’t, and are just taking a cheap shot. Oh, for fuck’s sake. It’s the pit. And I responded to this quote > [@](#): > > Whether the evidence is enough to convict remains to be seen, and we don’t really have any real indication to this point. with sarcasm and teasing. Because you had earlier posted > [@](#): > > …In brief, it looks like Mueller’s indictment of the 13 Russians and 3 Russian firms may have been something of a PR stunt… ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4864 "2018-05-29T18:46:56Z")
As a lawyer you would undoubtedly know that there’s a huge gap and middle ground between having no evidence at all and having enough evidence to go to trial and convict. So saying a prosecutor was not prepared to go to trial because they didn’t expect to need to do that, and that their indictment therefore “may have been something of a PR stunt” is not at all the same as saying there was no evidence at all and that the defendants had been randomly chosen based on nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4865 "2018-05-30T00:10:16Z")
New Filing: Feds to get 1,025,000 pieces of evidence tomorrow, all resulting from the April Cohen raid. > ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4866 "2018-05-30T06:02:48Z")
[Did this get noted?](https://apnews.com/5444944d9c0b4a3eac59fa57ce8da677/The-Latest:-Judge-sides-with-Mueller-team-in-Manafort--case) > [@](#): > > A judge says special counsel Robert Mueller is correct to withhold certain information being demanded by lawyers for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. > > Mueller’s lawyers had redacted information from two affidavits used to get search warrants in the Manafort investigation. > > They said the information was withheld because it fell into two categories: names of confidential sources and details about ongoing investigations unrelated to the cases pending against Manafort, who is awaiting trial in Virginia and Washington. > > Judge Amy Berman Jackson said in an order Tuesday that she had privately reviewed the two affidavits in question and agreed with Mueller’s team that they didn’t have to reveal the un-redacted information to Manafort’s lawyers. And > [@](#): > > The case of a California man who pleaded guilty in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation is moving closer to sentencing. > > It’s a sign that that aspect of the Mueller investigation may be drawing to a close. Prosecutors filed a similar motion last week in the case of George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign aide who pleaded guilty last year to lying to investigators. > > In a court filing Tuesday, prosecutors and defense lawyers say they’re ready to start the process of sentencing Richard Pinedo, who pleaded guilty in February to selling bank accounts to Russians. > > The filing asks a judge to refer the case for the preparation of a pre-sentence report, a critical step in the sentencing process. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4867 "2018-05-30T06:12:17Z")
The AP posted this about an hour ago, so near 10pm PDT: [Judge readies for update on Trump personal lawyer probe](https://apnews.com/152b68d1cf824fcb8ac5ed8aad2d5dc5/Judge-readies-for-update-on-Trump-personal-lawyer-probe): > [@](#): > > Barbara Jones said in a letter filed in federal court Tuesday that lawyers for the personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, and attorneys for Trump and the Trump Organization have designated more than 250 items as subject to the privilege. She said the material includes data from a video recorder. > > The letter to U.S. District Judge Kimba Wood preceded a hearing scheduled for Wednesday. > > Jones said more than a million pieces of data from three of Cohen’s phones are ready to be given to criminal prosecutors, and more than 12,000 pages of documents from eight boxes that survived attorney-client privilege scrutiny already have been given back to prosecutors. More than a dozen electronic devices were seized or copied in the raids, and Jones said she has not yet received data from three seized items. > > Jones said data being reviewed has included various forms of electronic communications and documents typically associated with mobile devices and computer usage. 250 items subject to privilege. And over a million not. OMFG. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4868 "2018-05-30T22:23:26Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The AP posted this about an hour ago, so near 10pm PDT: [Judge readies for update on Trump personal lawyer probe](https://apnews.com/152b68d1cf824fcb8ac5ed8aad2d5dc5/Judge-readies-for-update-on-Trump-personal-lawyer-probe):250 items subject to privilege. And over a million not. OMFG. :eek: Well, it’s been widely speculated that Cohen hadn’t been doing much of anything in the “lawyering” category–just in the “fixer” category, which isn’t subject to attorney-client privilege. So this makes sense. Little Mikey knows a ton about what little Donny has been up to. And plenty of that knowledge will be reflected in those piles of documents. How many crimes? And in what words will Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan say “those crimes don’t matter”…??? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4869 "2018-05-30T23:22:54Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And in what words will Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan say “those crimes don’t matter”…??? Quack quack But Hillary quack quack … ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4870 "2018-05-30T23:55:59Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And in what words will Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan say “those crimes don’t matter”…??? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Quack quack But Hillary quack quack … Yep. Or “buttery mails.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4871 "2018-05-31T00:00:04Z")
[About that …](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-phone-security-risk-hackers-601903) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump uses a White House cellphone that isn’t equipped with sophisticated security features designed to shield his communications, according to two senior administration officials — a departure from the practice of his predecessors that potentially exposes him to hacking or surveillance. > … > While aides have urged the president to swap out the Twitter phone on a monthly basis, Trump has resisted their entreaties, telling them it was “too inconvenient,” the same administration official said. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4872 "2018-05-31T00:21:32Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [About that …](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/trump-phone-security-risk-hackers-601903) It’s okay when Republicans do it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4873 "2018-05-31T03:49:52Z")
Then again, such could be used for both good and evil… Hey, if Trump can encourage hacking, so can I… ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4874 "2018-05-31T03:54:56Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Then again, such could be used for both good and evil… > > Hey, if Trump can encourage hacking, so can I… I cannot help but suspect that Trump does not use secure passwords. I’ve tried. I cannot help it. I just suspect it whenever the thought crosses my mind ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4875 "2018-05-31T13:04:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > It’s okay when Republicans do it. If you want to get pedantic, and the defenders will, it is legal for the President to declassify anything. The Secretary of State doesn’t have that authority. If someone argues that, they would have to not care about giving away sensitive information, only that the letter of the law is followed. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4876 "2018-05-31T13:43:28Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > I cannot help but suspect that Trump does not use secure passwords. > > I’ve tried. > I cannot help it. > I just suspect it whenever the thought crosses my mind His password is probably MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4877 "2018-05-31T13:53:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > His password is probably MAGA. How about covfefe? Vladimir? D8Ivanka? ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4878 "2018-05-31T14:14:10Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > How about covfefe? Vladimir? D8Ivanka? Come on, guys, he’s so narcissistic, his password’s obviously “TRUMP!” (which the exclamation point to get past where he needs a special character)! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4879 "2018-05-31T14:28:25Z")
Of course, nobody should try to actually hack into his accounts. I would imagine that if you succeeded, you would be caught and prosecuted. You might even be caught if you try. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4880 "2018-05-31T14:53:46Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > If you want to get pedantic, and the defenders will, it is legal for the President to declassify anything. The Secretary of State doesn’t have that authority. > > If someone argues that, they would have to not care about giving away sensitive information, only that the letter of the law is followed. While ignoring that this president, in all likelihood, doesn’t bother to officially declassify anything until after the fact, if ever. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4881 "2018-05-31T14:55:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Of course, nobody should try to actually hack into his accounts. I would imagine that if you succeeded, you would be caught and prosecuted. You might even be caught if you try. I look forward to seeing Putin locked up in Leavenworth for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=243) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=245)