# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4922 "2018-06-03T02:17:03Z")
Ah, so you’re a prepper. Got it. I ask seriously, how have your beliefs changed the way you live your life or plan for the future, besides condescending to anonymous strangers on message boards? If a beloved twelve year old in your family came up to you and asked what he should do when he grows up, what do you tell him/her? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4923 "2018-06-03T02:24:40Z")
How is Trump going to continue to claim that Obama illegally spied on him in the context of his new argument that a president can do whatever he wants with investigations? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4924 "2018-06-03T02:27:04Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Ah, so you’re a prepper. Got it. > > I ask seriously, how have your beliefs changed the way you live your life or plan for the future, besides condescending to anonymous strangers on message boards? If a beloved twelve year old in your family came up to you and asked what he should do when he grows up, what do you tell him/her? Nope. People who participated in the color and peaceful revolutions across Europe weren’t “preppers”; they were people who simply decided they’d had enough and weren’t going to be told what to do anymore. It’s ironic that your average East German in 1989, living under strict, communist authoritarian rule, had a better understanding of how to stand up to tyranny and gain freedom than the average American, living in one of the oldest living democracies on the planet. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4925 "2018-06-03T02:44:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > How is Trump going to continue to claim that Obama illegally spied on him in the context of his new argument that a president can do whatever he wants with investigations? Ask yourself, “What is wrong with my question?” Answer: it calls upon logic. And it also uses a grown-up scawwy word, _context_. There are no answers to such undeserving questions. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4926 "2018-06-03T03:18:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Nope. > > People who participated in the color and peaceful revolutions across Europe weren’t “preppers”; they were people who simply decided they’d had enough and weren’t going to be told what to do anymore. It’s ironic that your average East German in 1989, living under strict, communist authoritarian rule, had a better understanding of how to stand up to tyranny and gain freedom than the average American, living in one of the oldest living democracies on the planet. Then take up arms and start the revolution. Put up or shut the fuck up already. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4927 "2018-06-03T03:32:51Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Democracy dies slowly. Over a long period of time. Think of the World Trade Towers on 9/11. It sustained an obvious assault, but initially it remained standing and appeared to have withstood the damage. But what people couldn’t see was that the metal frame that supported the mega-structure was melting away. And then…it collapsed. It’s not what you see; it’s what you don’t see that will destroy American democracy. > > You will see. Firings can’t melt steel beams. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4928 "2018-06-03T03:36:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Then take up arms and start the revolution. Put up or shut the fuck up already. My son, you’re completely oblivious. No arms are required. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4929 "2018-06-03T04:48:17Z")
But if, as you say, there is no rule of law anymore, they’d help. A lot. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4930 "2018-06-03T08:25:40Z")
How long is your ammo going to last? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4931 "2018-06-03T10:37:38Z")
Not to distract from the dick-waving contest above, but Rudy Giuliani has threatened to take Robert Mueller to court if he subpoenas Trump. > **[Giuliani threatens to go to court if Mueller subpoenas Trump](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390432-giuliani-threatens-to-go-to-court-if-mueller-subpoenas-trump/)** > > Rudy Giuliani on Saturday threatened to take special counsel Robert Mueller to court if he attempts to issue a subpoena against President Trump. “If Mueller tries to subpoena us, we̵… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4932 "2018-06-03T11:27:22Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > But if, as you say, there is no rule of law anymore, they’d help. A lot. Arms are not required. Insurrection is not required. People just need to get smart, exercise their civic duty, and vote rather than sitting out midterms like they always do. That would be a good place to start. That is all that is required. But I doubt that’s going to happen. We seem content with corruption and tyranny. Democracy and liberty are more than just rights; they are values, which is why all of the gun nuts who talk about how the 2nd amendment is going to save them from a big government autocrat are foolish. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4933 "2018-06-03T11:34:03Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Not to distract from the dick-waving contest above, There’s no contest - I’m huge. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4934 "2018-06-03T11:44:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Arms are not required. Insurrection is not required. People just need to get smart, exercise their civic duty, and vote rather than sitting out midterms like they always do. That would be a good place to start. That is all that is required. But I doubt that’s going to happen. We seem content with corruption and tyranny. Democracy and liberty are more than just rights; they are values, which is why all of the gun nuts who talk about how the 2nd amendment is going to save them from a big government autocrat are foolish. You keep saying stuff like, “the people need to vote and end this,” which is exactly what is being preached by every politically aware left-leaning individual, and quite a few rational right-leaning individuals as well, in the face of your incessant cries of how it’s all useless. So, Hap **py L** is right, we’ve heard you. We know what you believe the solution is. A great many of us agree with you. So why the hell do you have to mitigate the whole thing by then saying, “eh never mind, we’re screwed either way.” In conclusion: do you think you can you take the Debbie Downer act and fuck off with it? I don’t know if you think you’re helping, but you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4935 "2018-06-03T11:48:43Z")
To which Mueller replied in an official press conference, “Oh please, Br’er Rudy, don’t throw me into that briar patch!”. As to the general public’s understanding of the Clinton e-mails thing, I heard a guy on a bus ranting about it, how she had enough money that she should have been able to use her own computer, and how could she feel so entitled that she’d use one of the government’s computers instead, and steal from the government. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4936 "2018-06-03T12:32:08Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > Firings can’t melt steel beams. No, but it can weaken them. After the first strike I looked at how far down the plane hole was from the top of the tower and told **DesertRoomie** , “Unless they got something protecting the framing from heat, that building is coming down.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4937 "2018-06-03T12:57:16Z")
I love the contrast of “We are doomed and on an irreversible slide to horror and tyranny and the end of the world!” “So be sure to vote and don’t forget your ‘I voted’ sticker!” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4938 "2018-06-03T13:34:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I would not be one particle surprised if evidence emerged that Trump is deliberately giving classified information to Putin—presumably both for cash and to avoid having Putin-held compromat released. Carrot and stick… He already HAS. Both our intel, and Israeli intel. And that’s only what we know of. Plus trying to sabotage NATO, and the Iran nuke treaties. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4939 "2018-06-03T13:36:53Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The regular Republicans don’t give a fuck what thump does as long as he gets people to vote Republican. And the Pubs in Congress KNEW that Hillary’s server posed NO threat to the nation’s security. > > The deplorables are too stoopid to understand any of this. Stupid? Or just don’t give a fuck??? And I don’t think they care about national security either. It’s all about “winning” something. Traitors. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4940 "2018-06-03T13:39:59Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Not to distract from the dick-waving contest above, but Rudy Giuliani has threatened to take Robert Mueller to court if he subpoenas Trump. > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390432-giuliani-threatens-to-go-to-court-if-mueller-subpoenas-trump](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/390432-giuliani-threatens-to-go-to-court-if-mueller-subpoenas-trump) Giuliani is a full of shit moron. All brass, no ass. All show, no go. Mueller should drag HIM before a judge for interfering in an investigation. And any other dirt he can find on him (I bet there’s a lot of dirt). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4941 "2018-06-03T13:48:11Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Giuliani is a full of shit moron. > > All brass, no ass. All show, no go. > > Mueller should drag HIM before a judge for interfering in an investigation. And any other dirt he can find on him (I bet there’s a lot of dirt). That would be _sweet_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=248)