# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 250
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4982 "2018-06-04T21:58:54Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > But it comes with sprinkles! That’s good! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4983 "2018-06-05T00:52:45Z")
Oh, Paul… just what are you up to now? > “JUST IN: U.S. Special Counsel Mueller says ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort has attempted to tamper with potential witness - court filing” This may explain Dotards latest freak-out. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4984 "2018-06-05T00:53:13Z")
[Bye, bye, Paul](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/manafort-attempted-to-tamper-with-potential-witnesses-u-s-special-counsel-idUSKCN1J1043?il=0). (Reuters) Figured this was coming sooner or later. > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who has been indicted by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller, attempted to tamper with potential witnesses, Mueller said in a court filing on Monday. > > **Mueller, who is investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, asked the judge overseeing the case in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to revoke or revise an order releasing Manafort ahead of his trial**. (Emphasis mine.) ETA: Ninja’d by **JohnT**. (Curse you!) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4985 "2018-06-05T00:58:39Z")
This pretty much sums it up: “So Manafort sent encrypted messages to former employees to encourage them to make “materially false” claims about his lobbying for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians. While under house arrest!” [https://t.co/gbJmwkI3my](https://t.co/gbJmwkI3my) ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4986 "2018-06-05T00:59:45Z")
Manafort will look good in an orange jumpsuit… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4987 "2018-06-05T00:59:46Z")
Would **asahi** and **Happy Lendervedder** and whoever else is hijacking this thread please take your cage match to its own thread? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4988 "2018-06-05T01:02:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This pretty much sums it up: > > “So Manafort sent encrypted messages to former employees to encourage them to make “materially false” claims about his lobbying for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians. While under house arrest!” > > [https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1003798882726371328](https://t.co/gbJmwkI3my) Pretty much everything they’re doing now smacks of desperation to me. How could Manafort be so dumb after they already caught him violating the judge’s gag order? I thought the judge would revoke his bail then. She will surely do it now, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4989 "2018-06-05T01:07:35Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Manafort will look good in an orange jumpsuit… Well, he’s only a little late for the wishes of the Parkland kids. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4990 "2018-06-05T01:51:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, Paul… just what are you up to now? > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/1003796287035248640?s=19) > > “JUST IN: U.S. Special Counsel Mueller says ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort has attempted to tamper with potential witness - court filing” > > This may explain Dotards latest freak-out. [Here](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597.315.2_1.pdf) (PDF) is Mueller’s court filing. Looks like they caught him contacting the European diplomats he hired to lobby on behalf of Ukraine - the “Hapsburg Group”. Wanting them to say that none of the lobbying was in the US. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4991 "2018-06-05T02:09:36Z")
Sorry, wrong PDF - above link is to the FBI agent’s filing in support. Full set of filings here - [https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4493886/315-Main.pdf](https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4493886/315-Main.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4992 "2018-06-05T02:50:52Z")
This is why Trump was trying to distance himself from Manafort for the last couple of days. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4993 "2018-06-05T04:04:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > This is why Trump was trying to distance himself from Manafort for the last couple of days. That can’t be true. Trump would never knowingly receive information that wasn’t publicly released yet. We know how much he hates leaks. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4994 "2018-06-05T04:05:15Z")
Papadopoulis’ fiancé was just on Tucker Carlson asking for a pardon for him. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4995 "2018-06-05T04:37:46Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Papadopoulis’ fiancé was just on Tucker Carlson asking for a pardon for him. [This article](https://www.newsmax.com/politics/george-papadopoulos-simona-mangiante-pardon-no-collusion/2018/06/04/id/864162/) (warning: newsmax) identifies her as his wife. My but how she goes on and on and on about how very, very innocent he is. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4996 "2018-06-05T08:36:33Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Papadopoulis’ fiancé was just on Tucker Carlson asking for a pardon for him. I strongly disagree. We should lock him up and throw away the key as punishment for all the evil he has done. Papadopoulos, on the other hand, I don’t mind cutting a deal for. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4997 "2018-06-05T11:30:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I strongly disagree. We should lock him up and throw away the key as punishment for all the evil he has done. > > Papadopoulos, on the other hand, I don’t mind cutting a deal for. When you say you wouldn’t mind cutting a deal for Papadopoulos do you mean a plea deal or a pardon? He already got the former. The latter is just a giant signal to all other witnesses to not cooperate with the investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4998 "2018-06-05T11:42:04Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > When you say you wouldn’t mind cutting a deal for Papadopoulos do you mean a plea deal or a pardon? He already got the former. The latter is just a giant signal to all other witnesses to not cooperate with the investigation. Mostly I was just making a joke about locking up Tucker Carlson. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/4999 "2018-06-05T11:46:04Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This pretty much sums it up: > > “So Manafort sent encrypted messages to former employees to encourage them to make “materially false” claims about his lobbying for pro-Russian Ukrainian politicians. While under house arrest!” > > [https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1003798882726371328](https://t.co/gbJmwkI3my) To paraphrase Manafort’s line about Hillary: LOCK HIM UP! Or let him build (at his own expense) a Faraday cage around his house. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5000 "2018-06-05T11:59:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > To paraphrase Manafort’s line about Hillary: LOCK HIM UP! Was that Manafort’s line? I remember Trump and Flynn Sr chanting that one. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5001 "2018-06-05T12:23:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Was that Manafort’s line? I remember Trump and Flynn Sr chanting that one. You might be right. All these crooks look alike to me. [He did defend the use of the phrase at the convention,](https://www.prweek.com/article/1402991/trump-campaign-chief-defends-lock-up-convention-chant) but he may not have been known for chanting it himself. So to Paul M I offer the very minimum of apologies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=249) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=251)