# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 253
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5042 "2018-06-06T03:43:47Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Shoot, there’s gotta be enough stuff in Jersey to hang him twice. There’s enough stuff in Jersey to hang anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5043 "2018-06-06T03:48:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Not intended to be witty. I called him out on what he did. There is no better term for it. Are you needlessly antagonistic all the time, or just when you post here on the Dope? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5044 "2018-06-06T03:55:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are you needlessly antagonistic all the time, or just when you post here on the Dope? And there’s the kettle. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5045 "2018-06-06T04:27:29Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are you needlessly antagonistic all the time, or just when you post here on the Dope? Ten minutes earlier: > [@The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/21085): > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5046 "2018-06-06T04:46:15Z")
Cut that side shit out, this is impotent dammit. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5047 "2018-06-06T04:59:48Z")
I’m sure someone has already proposed this but… Mueller is waiting till after the midterm elections to see what happens. If the Democrats take control of the house, impeachment. Mueller releases details on Pence, so he is knocked out of the loop. Third in line is Speaker of the house, voila, no pardons. While that would be an extraordinary scenario, and the American people would likely have problems with it, I think Mueller must have so much treasonous, criminal dirt on Trump that it could be justified. A boy can dream. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5048 "2018-06-06T12:33:00Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m sure someone has already proposed this but… > > Mueller is waiting till after the midterm elections to see what happens. If the Democrats take control of the house, impeachment. Mueller releases details on Pence, so he is knocked out of the loop. Third in line is Speaker of the house, voila, no pardons. > > While that would be an extraordinary scenario, and the American people would likely have problems with it, I think Mueller must have so much treasonous, criminal dirt on Trump that it could be justified. > > A boy can dream. This boy’s dream is that enough gets released before the election, so that even the Moderates/“Independents” of America can see that they really need to flip the house to drain the swamp. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5049 "2018-06-06T13:49:23Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m sure someone has already proposed this but… > > Mueller is waiting till after the midterm elections to see what happens. If the Democrats take control of the house, impeachment. Mueller releases details on Pence, so he is knocked out of the loop. Third in line is Speaker of the house, voila, no pardons. > > While that would be an extraordinary scenario, and the American people would likely have problems with it, I think Mueller must have so much treasonous, criminal dirt on Trump that it could be justified. > > A boy can dream. My fever dream is that Mueller’s just waiting until a little closer to the Fall to release the super-damning, fully-supported, and written-easy-enough-for-a-4th-grader-to-understand-it report on obstruction, conspiracy, money laundering, etc etc etc, and indictments on Don Jr, Kushner, maybe Ivanka, hoepfully Rudy, etc etc etc. Waiting till late summer/early Fall would be “early enough” to not be seen as an October Surprise and thus meddling in the election, but it’ll be “late enough” that the entire Trump-publican Swamp Party can’t recover and is sunk in the mid-terms. Then we can start hearings on anyone who hasn’t resigned in January. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5050 "2018-06-06T13:55:26Z")
I think it’s looking like Roger Stone will get pinched before it’s Jared or Junior’s turn. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5051 "2018-06-06T13:59:39Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > I’m sure someone has already proposed this but… > > Mueller is waiting till after the midterm elections to see what happens. If the Democrats take control of the house, impeachment. Mueller releases details on Pence, so he is knocked out of the loop. Third in line is Speaker of the house, voila, no pardons. > > While that would be an extraordinary scenario, and the American people would likely have problems with it, I think Mueller must have so much treasonous, criminal dirt on Trump that it could be justified. > > A boy can dream. > [@Celidin](#): > > My fever dream is that Mueller’s just waiting until a little closer to the Fall to release the super-damning, fully-supported, and written-easy-enough-for-a-4th-grader-to-understand-it report on obstruction, conspiracy, money laundering, etc etc etc, and indictments on Don Jr, Kushner, maybe Ivanka, hoepfully Rudy, etc etc etc. > > Waiting till late summer/early Fall would be “early enough” to not be seen as an October Surprise and thus meddling in the election, but it’ll be “late enough” that the entire Trump-publican Swamp Party can’t recover and is sunk in the mid-terms. > > Then we can start hearings on anyone who hasn’t resigned in January. Is this who y’all really want Mueller to be? Because I think I’d rather have him be truly, utterly impartial, methodically pursuing truth without any particular end in mind. He should be a prosecutor, not a political actor, and he should be aiming at uncovering truth and convicting criminals. He shouldn’t be trying to exact justice through the electoral process. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5052 "2018-06-06T14:00:32Z")
> [@digs](#): > > This boy’s dream is that enough gets released before the election, so that even the Moderates/“Independents” of America can see that they really need to flip the house to drain the swamp. This is my fantasy as well. And then, after that, I go on to be the Number One starting pitcher for the Cardinals and throw a perfect game against the Yankees in the World Series. Of course I don’t know what Mueller’s thinking is, but my impression is that he’s a total straight arrow and is going to release his results when they’re good and ready, with very little thought given to how it affects the midterms. I hope that’s soon, but by the standards of special counsel investigations, we’re still early in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5053 "2018-06-06T14:01:38Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I think it’s looking like Roger Stone will get pinched before it’s Jared or Junior’s turn. Right now it looks like Jared is in a much better position than the other senior Trump people. As noted earlier, Jared recently had his security clearance restored, and commentary at the time suggested this meant that Mueller had nothing serious on him. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5054 "2018-06-06T14:02:58Z")
If anything, I would expect some of the bigger announcements to come out in August and September to avoid the whole ‘October Surprise’ scenario. Hell, we don’t even have to wait for him. Trump and Giuliani are falling all over themselves to implicate themselves in Obstruction of Justice. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5055 "2018-06-06T14:09:42Z")
> [@digs](#): > > This boy’s dream is that enough gets released before the election, so that even the Moderates/“Independents” of America can see that they really need to flip the house to drain the swamp. I’m a left leaning moderate. Didn’t really like Hillary but considering the alternative, I voted for her. There was no other choice. This whole mess has convinced me to vote a strait democratic ticket, and I will probably do so for quite a while. 'ef 'em. Anyone that supports Trump should be run out of town on a rail. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5056 "2018-06-06T15:47:49Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Ten minutes earlier: Lies. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5057 "2018-06-06T16:12:08Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > With the important little wrinkle that when backed up to the cloud, your encrypted messages [aren’t encrypted anymore](https://twitter.com/dukes_mayo/status/1003818521099472898/photo/1). > > Oops. 😃 Great comment in that Twitter feed: “It’s like if Ollie North video taped himself during Iran-Contra, and thought that no one else could watch the tapes because he didn’t rewind them. Grandpas and technology.” ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5058 "2018-06-06T18:10:28Z")
Ivanka had contact with Russians trying to set up [a Putin/Trump meeting to expedite Trump tower in Moscow](https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/ivanka-trump-putin-moscow-meeting-michael-cohen-tower?utm_term=.akoPWxzLZ#.irvPpn4QV). \*"In November 2015, Ivanka Trump told Cohen to speak with Klokov, according to the four sources. Cohen had at least one phone conversation with the weightlifter, they said. It is not known what the men discussed over the phone, but they exchanged a string of emails that are now being examined by congressional investigators and federal agents probing Russia’s election meddling. In one of those emails, Klokov told Cohen that he could arrange a meeting between Donald Trump and Putin to help pave the way for the tower. Later, Cohen sent an email refusing that offer and saying that the Trump Organization already had an agreement in place. He said he was cutting off future communication with Klokov. Copying Ivanka Trump, the Russian responded in a final brusque message, in which he questioned Cohen’s authority to make decisions for the Trump Organization. Frustrated by the exchange, Ivanka Trump questioned Cohen’s refusal to continue communicating with Klokov, according to one of the sources."\* ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5059 "2018-06-06T19:30:58Z")
Buzzfeed is putting the Paper of Record to shame these days. Who could have guessed? For extra context, here’s an article from three weeks ago, describing the long strange trip between the Trumps, Michael Cohen & Felix Sater in their attempts to build Trump Moscow, including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin’s antique desk chair. > **[Trump Moscow: The Definitive Story Of How Trump’s Team Worked The Russian...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign)** > > On the day of the third Republican presidential debate, Trump personally signed the letter of intent. This whole family was born rotten. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5060 "2018-06-06T19:49:15Z")
Mueller is asking witnesses to turn over the personal phones to [examine for encrypted messages](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/06/mueller-team-zeroes-in-on-encrypted-apps-as-witness-turn-in-phones.html). Anyone want to bet he already has those messages and is just looking at who tried to destroy stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5061 "2018-06-06T19:55:50Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Anyone want to bet he already has those messages and is just looking at who tried to destroy stuff? Mueller has all of Cohen’s phones, so … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=252) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=254)