# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 254
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5062 "2018-06-06T21:12:58Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > …including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin’s antique desk chair… Had to read that real careful. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5063 "2018-06-06T21:34:06Z")
The interesting thing about the Ivanka story isn’t the details themselves - some bullshit artist tried to sell the hot rich blond access to Putin he likely didn’t have, bfd - but the hint that she is competing with Cohen to bring Russians to meet her father, and Cohens ability to block her. This sort of rivalry is quite fascinating to me for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5064 "2018-06-06T23:02:27Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Is this who y’all really want Mueller to be? Because I think I’d rather have him be truly, utterly impartial, methodically pursuing truth without any particular end in mind. He should be a prosecutor, not a political actor, and he should be aiming at uncovering truth and convicting criminals. He shouldn’t be trying to exact justice through the electoral process. This. I’m clinging to the belief that Mueller is the last honest grown-up in this crappy mess. I want him to do his job thoroughly and impartially with no eye on the calendar WRT elections, rallies, impact on the administration or the beginning of hurricane season. So far, he seems to be doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5065 "2018-06-07T00:45:47Z")
Every article citing something Mueller’s group does has some version of “Mueller declined to comment”. Mueller’s spokesperson has the cushiest job in the world. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5066 "2018-06-07T02:51:09Z")
“Giuliani says Mueller’s team is ‘trying very, very hard to frame’ Trump” > **[Giuliani: Mueller’s team is ‘trying very, very hard to frame’ Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-muellers-team-is-trying-very-very-hard-to-frame-trump/2018/06/06/8979bf36-699a-11e8-9e38-24e693b38637_story.html)** > > The president’s lawyer made his provocative comments at a conference in Israel on June 6. > [@](#): > > President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani said Wednesday that the legal team of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is “trying very, very hard to frame” the president. > > Giuliani’s comments, at a conference in Israel, further escalate the efforts of Trump and his lawyers to discredit the ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, which is also examining whether Trump has obstructed justice. > > Speaking at an investment conference in Tel Aviv hosted by the Globes newspaper, Giuliani echoed Trump’s claim that Mueller’s team is dominated by Democrats who are out to get him. And then Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, suggested the team is going to extraordinary lengths to do so. > … Can somebody just sit on this guy? Maybe we can find some ginormous, hulking football player why would be willing. Just for a few days. Okay, weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5067 "2018-06-07T03:39:03Z")
Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5068 "2018-06-07T04:04:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards. No. Really? That sounds like he’s advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent? During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5069 "2018-06-07T04:10:55Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards. Is that legal? Can’t they have a Federal agent walk up behind him while he’s on the air, and cuff him? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5070 "2018-06-07T04:22:16Z")
No joke. Twice. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5071 "2018-06-07T04:26:56Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > No. Really? That sounds like he’s advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent? > > During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject. “Your Honor, I know the Mueller team fabricated the evidence against me because I destroyed the real evidence on the advice of a moron on TV.” Oops. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5072 "2018-06-07T04:45:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards. > [@steatopygia](#): > > No. Really? That sounds like he’s advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent? > > During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject. > [@digs](#): > > Is that legal? Can’t they have a Federal agent walk up behind him while he’s on the air, and cuff him? > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > No joke. Twice. [No](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/391115-hannity-advises-witnesses-in-mueller-probe-smash-their-phones-to-little-itsy) [joke](https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-to-witnesses-in-mueller-probe-bash-your-phones-into-pieces). Video at the 2nd link; scroll down. > [@](#): > > He went on to acknowledge this was “bad advice” before repeating it all again step-by-step. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5073 "2018-06-07T05:01:06Z")
The “hard drives” on your phones? What century is he living in? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5074 "2018-06-07T05:04:48Z")
Here’s the complete quote for those who don’t want to sit thru the video and hear it from his mouth: > [@Sean Hannity](#): > > If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller and say, ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton, this is equal justice under the law." ETA: Wait: isn’t he on the hook because he was using Cohen as his attorney? Did he just tell _his co-conspirators_ to destroy evidence, using Fox News to reach them? What liability does Fox News have if he did? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5075 "2018-06-07T06:16:01Z")
> [@Sean Hannity](#): > > …hand them over to Robert Mueller and say, ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton, this is equal justice under the law." Hmm, that’s odd. I thought that what Hillary Clinton did was bad. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5076 "2018-06-07T06:36:27Z")
> [@](#): > > …If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead… “If”. Conditional trapdoor with bailout attachment. Weasel words, wriggle room, home free. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5077 "2018-06-07T08:28:02Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Buzzfeed is putting the Paper of Record to shame these days. Who could have guessed? > > For extra context, here’s an article from three weeks ago, describing the long strange trip between the Trumps, Michael Cohen & Felix Sater in their attempts to build Trump Moscow, including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin’s antique desk chair. > > [https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign?utm\_term=.ekxg6onK2#.fwbvL5XMK](https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier/trump-moscow-micheal-cohen-felix-sater-campaign?utm_term=.ekxg6onK2#.fwbvL5XMK) > This whole family was born rotten. My takeaway from this story is that Trump’s family and associates were running crazy trying to suck up to Putin and Russian banks in order to get the deal done, and Mr Stable Genius Art of the Deal ruins it all with a 9 word tweet. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5078 "2018-06-07T12:39:59Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Hmm, that’s odd. I thought that what Hillary Clinton did was bad. They only claim it was bad so as to have justification to do the same thing. Apparently, their moms never asked them the famous friends jumping off a cliff question. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5079 "2018-06-07T15:14:10Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > They only claim it was bad so as to have justification to do the same thing. Apparently, their moms never asked them the famous friends jumping off a cliff question. Aye; this is their MO: anything they do that is bad is justified because someone on the other side did it OR WOULD DO IT IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE. I called that bullshit out just yesterday in Elections. > [@Obama's deal with Iran just took a new turn](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-deal-with-iran-just-took-a-new-turn/815560/1): > > As I have said before, this was no treaty and Iran signed nothing. Now there is news that Obama told the Congress and public one thing, and did another. > [@Obama's deal with Iran just took a new turn](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-deal-with-iran-just-took-a-new-turn/815560/2): > > Well, I guess to conservatives that proves that lying is okay. Right? > [@Obama's deal with Iran just took a new turn](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-deal-with-iran-just-took-a-new-turn/815560/12): > > I didn’t say I was okay with it. > > What I am saying is that IMO you and many others will try and use this to justify your support of Trump’s lies (and the lies of those around him), with exactly the logic I proffered in my earlier post. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5080 "2018-06-07T15:27:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye; this is their MO: anything they do that is bad is justified because someone on the other side did it OR WOULD DO IT IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE. Or more commonly “did something entirely different, but with just enough in common that we can ignore all the nuances and claim they did exactly the same thing.” ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5081 "2018-06-07T17:45:16Z")
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