# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 255
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5082 "2018-06-07T20:25:29Z")
Paul Manafort’s lawyer has got himself a lawyer. > **[Lawyer to ex-Trump campaign aide Manafort taps ethics adviser](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort-lawyer/lawyer-to-ex-trump-campaign-aide-manafort-taps-ethics-adviser-idUSKCN1J22LJ)** > > A lawyer involved in several real estate deals that U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating in his criminal case against President Donald Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort has hired his own ethics adviser. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5083 "2018-06-07T20:26:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Paul Manafort’s lawyer has got himself a lawyer. > [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort-lawyer/lawyer-to-ex-trump-campaign-aide-manafort-taps-ethics-adviser-idUSKCN1J22LJ](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort-lawyer/lawyer-to-ex-trump-campaign-aide-manafort-taps-ethics-adviser-idUSKCN1J22LJ) I’m starting to wonder if I need a lawyer at this point. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5084 "2018-06-07T21:01:39Z")
Depends. You married? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5085 "2018-06-07T21:04:01Z")
Well look under your seats! YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer…! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5086 "2018-06-07T21:04:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Depends. You married? Ummm, no. But I am in a bit of a committed relationship at the moment. Thanks for asking though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5087 "2018-06-07T21:05:34Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Well look under your seats! YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer…! Huh. I wonder if I’ll just get a Common. If I get a Rare, I can probably get good money for him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5088 "2018-06-07T21:11:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m starting to wonder if I need a lawyer at this point. Everybody on the Dope probably needs a lawyer. Just to be safe. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5089 "2018-06-07T22:37:28Z")
“Lawyers and pardons for everyone!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5090 "2018-06-08T08:57:32Z")
It’s lawyers all the way down. Again. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5091 "2018-06-08T11:18:11Z")
That’s weird. I posted the exact same (yes, lame) lawyer joke that Gyrate did, but earlier yesterday, in this very thread. I assumed he was just riffing off of me… It ain’t here. ??? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5092 "2018-06-08T11:43:10Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > That’s weird. I posted the exact same (yes, lame) lawyer joke that Gyrate did, but earlier yesterday, in this very thread. I assumed he was just riffing off of me… > > It ain’t here. ??? I remember seeing it (hence the “again”) but couldn’t find it either. Spooky. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5093 "2018-06-08T12:53:03Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Everybody on the Dope probably needs a lawyer. Just to be safe. Chico Marx in _At the Circus_: “You know what I say. Whenever you got business trouble the best thing to do is to get a lawyer. Then you got more trouble, but at least you got a lawyer.” ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5094 "2018-06-08T13:27:30Z")
“You can’t fool me, there’s no Sanity Clause…!” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5095 "2018-06-08T16:02:13Z")
appropriate - > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/berkeleybreathed/photos/a.114529165244512.10815.108793262484769/1992768880753855/?type=3&theater)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. (sorry for facebook link,but its not published outside of that yet) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5096 "2018-06-08T16:26:00Z")
As a gag, someone here with a little of bit of craftsmanship and artistic skill should go dedicate some time to making some sort of Matryoshka doll, with all of the Trump/Manafort/Cohen lawyers as the individual pieces. It just might be a hit on someone’s Etsy shop. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5097 "2018-06-08T18:17:03Z")
New charges filed against Manafort today and a co-conspirator, Konstantin Kilimnik. > ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5098 "2018-06-08T18:19:47Z")
Manafort’s life may have gotten a bit more [difficult](https://www.nationalreview.com/news/robert-mueller-files-superseding-indictment-against-paul-manafort/)… > [@](#): > > BREAKING : Mueller files 3rd superseding indictment against Paul Manafort, which adds Russian Konstantin Kilimnik as a defendent. > > Both charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice: So, if Manafort is pardoned, will Trump also pardon his Russian co-defendent? Ninja’d… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5099 "2018-06-12T20:50:06Z")
A federal judge has ruled that Mueller must turn over the names of all of the unnamed individuals in the latest Manafort indictment. > **[Judge rules Mueller must identify unnamed individuals in Manafort indictment](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391852-judge-rules-mueller-must-identify-unnamed-individuals-in-manafort/)** > > A federal judge ruled Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller must identify the unnamed individuals in his recent superseding indictment of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.Mueller … What does a superseding indictment mean, by the way? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5100 "2018-06-12T21:42:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > What does a superseding indictment mean, by the way? It comes after, and replaces, the indictment or indictments filed earlier. (It’s been changed in some way–new charges and such.) Note that the judge ruled that the names must be turned over _ **to Manafort** _: > [@](#): > > Judge Amy Berman Jackson ordered Mueller to turn over the names of several individuals and organizations, including European politicians and other Manafort contacts, to Manafort’s attorneys (your source) Nice for Manafort. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5101 "2018-06-12T21:53:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Note that the judge ruled that the names must be turned over _ **to Manafort** _ That is kind of SOP, though. Manafort _is_ entitled to defend himself, and his defense is entitled to see what he is being attacked with. Surprise witnesses and unexpected evidence exist in Hollywood and on TV, real courts not so much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=254) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=256)