# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 265
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5282 "2018-07-02T03:14:16Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > So this just showed up in my FB feed: > > “So to recap: Healthy lifetime appointee Justice Kennedy randomly steps down days before stunning NYT report linking him, his financier son, and Russia-connected Deutsche Bank to Trump and a billion dollar loan deal and nobody finds this at all fishy?” > > I’m guessing if this were real I’d probably have heard about it from other sources as well… Anybody have any clue what this is about? I read a Twitter post that said that just days ago, Kennedy announced his new clerks for the next term of the Court, and then randomly resigned. Can’t verify it it’s true or not. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5283 "2018-07-02T10:07:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I had to add what is in bold to assure **glowacks** that this is indeed also related to the investigation of Muller, I do think that **Sam** does not give a damn if his sources are still peddling the idiotic idea that the Mueller investigation is “Much ado about nothing.” **When even the Republican congress doesn’t think so and compels Trump to sanction the Russians or Russian entities that meddled in the past election.** And now for the brutal reality: Republicans mandating sanctions on Russia **is nothing more than theater**. They know Russia has hacked into the political system and they want to be on record as supporting sanctions in case there’s outrage later, but their actions in refusing to push Trump on sanctions and in trying to end Mueller’s investigation say everything we need to know. The Republican party is a party that does not respond to voters; it is a party of billionaire oligarchs. Moreover, Russian oligarchs and operatives have infiltrated the system, and I suspect that they have significant political influence within the Republican party itself through their connections with the Mercers and other oligarchs who have no use for real democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5284 "2018-07-02T11:30:38Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I’m guessing if this were real I’d probably have heard about it from other sources as well… Anybody have any clue what this is about? Supposition, mostly. Justice Kennedy’s son Justin was the head of real estate capital markets at Deutsche Bank, and, as such, was involved in some deals with the Trump Organization, and the Trump Organization and Deutsche Bank have a pretty solid relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5285 "2018-07-02T12:58:27Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Supposition, mostly. Justice Kennedy’s son Justin was the head of real estate capital markets at Deutsche Bank, and, as such, was involved in some deals with the Trump Organization, and the Trump Organization and Deutsche Bank have a pretty solid relationship. To be clearer - Kennedy Jr and Trump himself had a substantial amount of personal contact during his real estate development days. The extent to which this matters is yet to be determined, but the connection is closer than just the two organizations working together. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5286 "2018-07-02T13:23:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Supposition, mostly. Justice Kennedy’s son Justin was the head of real estate capital markets at Deutsche Bank, and, as such, was involved in some deals with the Trump Organization, and the Trump Organization and Deutsche Bank have a pretty solid relationship. And at a time when Deutsche Bank was inexplicably lending Trump wheelbarrows full of money when no one else would touch him. In other news, Cohen again indicates [he will flip on Trump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/02/michael-cohen-to-trump-i-will-flip-on-you/?utm_term=.9dffc370c92d): “Once I understand what charges might be filed against me, if any at all, I will defer to my new counsel, Guy Petrillo, for guidance. To be crystal clear, my wife, my daughter and my son, and this country have my first loyalty.” ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5287 "2018-07-02T13:56:16Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > So this just showed up in my FB feed: > > “So to recap: Healthy lifetime appointee Justice Kennedy randomly steps down days before stunning NYT report linking him, his financier son, and Russia-connected Deutsche Bank to Trump and a billion dollar loan deal and nobody finds this at all fishy?” > > I’m guessing if this were real I’d probably have heard about it from other sources as well… Anybody have any clue what this is about? Friend posted this article on my FB feed: [Trump’s business career is more connected to Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy than we ever knew (Business Insider)](http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-kennedy-son-loaned-president-trump-over-a-billion-dollars-2018-6). Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5288 "2018-07-02T14:19:39Z")
Cohen is just openly begging/threatening for a pardon… or, at least, for someone to cover his legal bills. Given how little success Papadopolous’s wife has had with her Oh, Fuck Me account, open extortion is probably his best play. > **[Support for George Papadopoulos, organized by George Papadopoulos](https://www.gofundme.com/f/rmjtv-legal-fees)** > > George Papadopoulos, a young man who has devoted his bright career to serve his c… George Papadopoulos needs your support for Support for George Papadopoulos ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5289 "2018-07-02T14:23:51Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Cohen is just openly begging/threatening for a pardon… or, at least, for someone to cover his legal bills. > > Given how little success Papadopolous’s wife has had with her Oh, Fuck Me account, open extortion is probably his best play. > > [Fundraiser by George Papadopoulos : Support for George Papadopoulos](https://www.gofundme.com/rmjtv-legal-fees) But…but…what is there to extort? Trump has done nothing wrong. I mean, he’s said so, repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5290 "2018-07-02T14:45:04Z")
Looks like Mueller may have the NRA’s tax filings. > [@](#): > > Mueller’s team is reportedly looking into NRA donors with links to Russia and investigating whether some donors used the organization to illegally funnel foreign money to President Trump’s campaign. - [The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5291 "2018-07-02T14:49:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Cohen is just openly begging/threatening for a pardon… or, at least, for someone to cover his legal bills. > > Given how little success Papadopolous’s wife has had with her Oh, Fuck Me account, open extortion is probably his best play. > > [Fundraiser by George Papadopoulos : Support for George Papadopoulos](https://www.gofundme.com/rmjtv-legal-fees) Hey, now! She **has** raised $470 in the past week. That only leaves her $74,530 short of her goal. She just needs to yank on those bootstraps a little harder. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5292 "2018-07-02T14:58:17Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Looks like Mueller may have the NRA’s tax filings. > > - [The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax) The possible Russia–\>NRA–\>Trump money flow is one of the most interesting aspects of this debacle to me. It’s kind of been bubbling under the surface for a while, with stories like this bobbing up here and there. While my main hope for the Mueller investigation is that it results in the entire Trump criminal organization behind bars and the several members of the Trump admin permanently excluded from politics, I would also be really, really, **really** happy if the NRA fell apart too. As Rick Wilson says, “Everything Trump Touches Dies”. I hope that includes the NRA. Of course, it probably also includes the rest of the United States, too. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5293 "2018-07-02T15:50:29Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Hey, now! She **has** raised $470 in the past week. That only leaves her $74,530 short of her goal. She just needs to yank on those bootstraps a little harder. Well her original goal was $200,000, but once she gauged the public enthusiasm for her cause she down weighted expectations. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5294 "2018-07-02T16:17:40Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Michael Cohen will be interviewed on Good Morning America tomorrow. In a tweet, he says his “silence is broken”. > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/395106-michael-cohen-teases-new-interview-with-abcs-george-stephanopoulos](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/395106-michael-cohen-teases-new-interview-with-abcs-george-stephanopoulos) > > About a month ago, I really scaled back my news consumption, including keeping the radio off in my car. But I’ll probably be champing at the bit to see what Cohen says. I doubt he’ll reveal anything that Mueller doesn’t already know and will include in his eventual report. So I’m less interested in what Cohen says about Trump than what he says about the Daniels case, Broidy, and Hannity. I mostly hope he fucking unloads on Hannity. As important as things are at the national level, I’m actually more interested in what crooked shit was done - that can be handled at the state level - where Trumpy pardons are worthless and the Repug traitors in Congress can’t interfere. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5295 "2018-07-02T16:18:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Wow. Was “I know you are but what am I?” taken? It’s all the effort your stupid crap was worth. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5296 "2018-07-02T16:19:05Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > All this and more. I would not be at all surprised if Putin and pals planted the whole running for President idea in his bloated ferret-topped head. Putin may have rekindled the idea, but it was first crammed into Turmp’s pea sized “brain” [back in 1987](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5297 "2018-07-02T16:24:37Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Looks like Mueller may have the NRA’s tax filings. > > - [The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395123-legal-experts-say-mueller-team-likely-gained-secret-access-to-nra-tax) Good. I hope he sends a shitload of them to prison too. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5298 "2018-07-02T19:10:53Z")
Uhoh, Michael Cohen has earned the wrath of Fox News. > **[Fox News Suddenly Questions Michael Cohen’s ‘Credibility’](https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-suddenly-questions-michael-cohens-credibility/?via=twitter_page)** > > He was once a welcome and trusted Trump surrogate for Fox News, but now the network’s hosts are seemingly starting to turn on Michael Cohen after his ABC interview. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5299 "2018-07-02T19:22:59Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Hey, now! She **has** raised $470 in the past week. That only leaves her $74,530 short of her goal. She just needs to yank on those bootstraps a little harder. I found it interesting and amusing that Manafort aide and Ruddian connection Konstatin Kilimnik was one of the donors He gave $5. And Joesph Misfud, the “mystery” professor in the Russian probe, gave $10. These guys are cheapskates. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5300 "2018-07-02T19:37:34Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I found it interesting and amusing that Manafort aide and Ruddian connection Konstatin Kilimnik was one of the donors He gave $5. > > And Joesph Misfud, the “mystery” professor in the Russian probe, gave $10. > > These guys are cheapskates. Well, you know, those damn sanctions… [Russian Sanctions Force Putin Pal to Sell Private Jet](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-sanctions-timch/exclusive-putins-tycoon-friend-under-sanctions-sells-private-jet-idUSKBN1JS1UJ) (Reuters) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5301 "2018-07-02T19:52:31Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Well, you know, those damn sanctions… > > [Russian Sanctions Force Putin Pal to Sell Private Jet](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-sanctions-timch/exclusive-putins-tycoon-friend-under-sanctions-sells-private-jet-idUSKBN1JS1UJ) (Reuters) Apologies if this has already been posted but [Timchenko has ties to the Trump administration via Vlad’s son-in-law](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/05/trump-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-business-links-putin-family-paradise-papers). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=264) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=266)