# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 270
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5382 "2018-07-10T19:43:45Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I don’t know. He’s completely amoral; but if he didn’t think he’d done anything wrong, he wouldn’t have lied about how much he knew about the Stormy Daniels payment. Remember, [Trump was raised on Norman Vincent Peale](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/13/donald-trump-positive-thinking-215704). He says what he wants to be true with the expectation that it will be true. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5383 "2018-07-10T20:23:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah, he calls himself a “dealmaker,” but dealmaking means that each side gives something and each side gets something. His idea of a deal is that he gets what he wants and screw the other party. Except that it is himself that keeps getting buttfucked in said deals, but he’s too moronic to know that [del]he’s[/del] the country’s been taken to the cleaners. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5384 "2018-07-10T20:24:54Z")
Its OK, he owns the cleaners. He’ll be fine. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5385 "2018-07-10T20:40:25Z")
Maybe. But we won’t. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5386 "2018-07-10T20:46:11Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Remember, [Trump was raised on Norman Vincent Peale](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/13/donald-trump-positive-thinking-215704). He says what he wants to be true with the expectation that it will be true. He was also coached by Roy Cohn. He doesn’t care what he says as long as his target is humiliated. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5387 "2018-07-10T22:59:04Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > It’s kind of amazing how pervasive it is in all of our heads. If you haven’t had occasion to say and feel “but that, that’s just fair” multiple times in your life, I’d be relatively surprised. I do it reflexively every time I hear about child cancer patients, for just one instance. “NOT”! “Not fair”. Jesus, 3 little letters can just ruin a whole post. It’s…not fair. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5388 "2018-07-10T23:59:56Z")
At least you can recognize and correct a mistake. Puts you hairpiece, head & shoulders above the entity currently infesting the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5389 "2018-07-11T01:55:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At this rate we’re going to run out of prosecutors. In the future, we won’t be famous for 15 minutes. We’ll all be Mueller probe prosecutors. I watch a lot of Law & Order. I’ve been a juror TWICE. Considering the depth of intelligence I’ve been seeing, when it’s my turn to prosecute, I don’t think I’ll do too shabby. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5390 "2018-07-11T02:41:19Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Well part of the problem is that up until this point if Trump wanted someone bribed or strong armed he would call Cohen. So he may not be very good at doing these things for himself. I don’t think that in ever thought that Cohen could have a thought of his own and has taken him for granted. I imagine Cohen as the Trumps equivalent of Doug Stamper in “House of Cards” (Tim Stamper for those across the pond.) I don’t think he really has the balls to do anything himself. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5391 "2018-07-11T02:42:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah, he calls himself a “dealmaker,” but dealmaking means that each side gives something and each side gets something. His idea of a deal is that he gets what he wants and screw the other party. Like Kim Jong Un just did to him 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5392 "2018-07-11T22:05:49Z")
[Mueller has 53 audio recordings of Manafort’s phone calls.](https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1017154387729354752?s=19) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5393 "2018-07-11T22:48:04Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Mueller has 53 audio recordings of Manafort’s phone calls.](https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1017154387729354752?s=19) I admit this is all just cracking me up. Manafort has to be one of the dumbest, most arrogant criminals on the planet. Looks like Judge Ellis has had about enough of his antics, however, since he denied Manafort’s [motion to allow him to stay in the Warsaw facility](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-aide-manafort-says-he-has-vip-treatment-in-jail-taped-calls-idUSKBN1K12RI) after the judge denied Manafort’s motion for release on the pretext of trial preparation, by ordering him moved to a less cushy facility in Alexandria. Manafort’s attorneys then filed a, “but-but-but-noooo!!” motion asking the judge to leave Manafort at Warsaw. Denied. 😃 Reuters: > [@](#): > > Manafort was remanded to a jail in Warsaw, Virginia about 100 miles from Washington following Mueller’s allegations that he was tampering with witnesses. > > On Tuesday, Judge T.S. Ellis sought to address Manafort’s complaint about the remoteness of the jail by ordering him moved to a jail in Alexandria, Virginia closer to his attorneys and his home. Manafort responded by asking that he be allowed to stay in Warsaw, citing concerns about safety and “the challenges he will face in adjusting to a new place of confinement” two weeks before trial. > > On Wednesday, **Ellis issued another written order denying Manafort’s request and he should be moved to the Alexandria detention center**. (Emphasis mine.) Remember, too, that this is the judge who not long ago spoke from the bench in a way that made Trump supporters’ hearts flutter, wondering aloud if Mueller was overstepping his authority. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5394 "2018-07-11T23:19:27Z")
To put that in context, the judge had this to say: “The professionals at the Alexandria Detention Center are very familiar with housing high-profile defendants including foreign and domestic terrorists, spies and traitors.” [http://www.kimt.com/content/national/487940471.html](http://www.kimt.com/content/national/487940471.html) Oh, snap! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5395 "2018-07-12T00:23:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > To put that in context, the judge had this to say: > > “The professionals at the Alexandria Detention Center are very familiar with housing high-profile defendants including foreign and domestic terrorists, spies and traitors.” > > [http://www.kimt.com/content/national/487940471.html](http://www.kimt.com/content/national/487940471.html) > > Oh, snap! Wow. Missed all that. What a U-turn in Judge Ellis’s commentary from the bench. Of course, he’s a lot more read in now. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5396 "2018-07-12T05:16:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Looks like Judge Ellis has had about enough of his antics, however, since he denied Manafort’s [motion to allow him to stay in the Warsaw facility](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/ex-trump-aide-manafort-says-he-has-vip-treatment-in-jail-taped-calls-idUSKBN1K12RI) after the judge denied Manafort’s motion for release on the pretext of trial preparation, by ordering him moved to a less cushy facility in Alexandria. My favorite quote from that article: > [@](#): > > On Wednesday, Ellis denied Manafort’s request and ordered him moved to the Alexandria Detention Center, rejecting the notion that he would not be safe there. The Alexandria jail had experience with high-profile defendants “including foreign and domestic terrorists, spies and **traitors** ,” Ellis wrote. I laughed and laughed and laughed… ETA: ninja’d by **JohnT** , sigh… But I still laughed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5397 "2018-07-12T17:11:55Z")
This is the first time I have seen Manafort’s mugshot: > ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5398 "2018-07-12T20:18:27Z")
Peter Srzok is not taking the Republican bashing lying down > [@](#): > > “I can assure you, Mr. Chairman, at no time, in any of these texts, did those personal beliefs ever enter into the realm of any action I took. Furthermore, this isn’t just me sitting here telling you you don’t have to take my word for it. At every step, at every investigative decision, there are multiple layers of people above me, the assistant director, executive assistant director, deputy director and director of the FBI, and multiple layers of people below me, section chiefs, supervisors, unit chiefs, case agents and analysts, all of whom were involved in all of these decisions. They would not tolerate any improper behavior in me any more than I would tolerate it in them.” > > … > > "That is who we are as the FBI. And the suggestion that I in some dark chamber somewhere in the FBI would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me. It simply couldn’t happen. And the proposition that that is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the FBI, deeply corrodes what the FBI is in American society, the effectiveness of their mission, and it is deeply destructive.” > > … > > “I understand we are living in a political era in which insults and insinuation often drown out honesty and integrity. I have the utmost respect for Congress’s oversight role, but I truly believe that today’s hearing is just another victory notch in Putin’s belt and another milestone in our enemies’ campaign to tear America apart.” > **[Republicans Thought Peter Strzok Would Be a Punching Bag. He Just Knocked...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-thought-peter-strzok-would-be-a-punching-bag-he-just-knocked-them-out?via=twitter_page)** > > He was supposed to be a key in the imaginary conspiracy Trump’s congressional lackeys and media fantasists have desperately tried to write as history. He was having none of it. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5399 "2018-07-12T20:25:10Z")
Damn! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5400 "2018-07-12T20:55:56Z")
And once again, the shit-head with a bad hair cut shows us what a gigantic tool he is. And if that spot-on description isn’t enough, I’m referring to Gowdy. Apparently, the dipshit has never heard of hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5401 "2018-07-12T21:29:39Z")
Well, this hair cut may not be very good, but he has had a different one every few weeks over the years. He seems uncertain as to precisely what fashion statement he wants to make. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=269) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=271)