# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 273
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5442 "2018-07-13T17:20:19Z")
Does typing that give you, like, a certain relief? I’m guessing it does. Enjoy! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5443 "2018-07-13T17:20:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I believe Gowdy gets his fashion tips from [this guy](https://muppetmindset.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/a2b22-beakerhead.png). Colbert described Gowdy yesterday as a “Supercuts vampire”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5444 "2018-07-13T17:23:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > A quick reminder that Dotard publicly asked Russia to hack HRC’s emails, July 2016. [July 27, 2016](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsvWg2FBnts), in fact. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5445 "2018-07-13T17:23:48Z")
> [@](#): > > … Gowdy yesterday as a “Supercuts vampire” Is he growing a beard now? Is he one of those guys who stop shaving and in about six weeks, somebody asks “Are you growing a beard”? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5446 "2018-07-13T17:25:52Z")
The indictment does say that Guccifer passed along information to campaign members (plural). > [@](#): > > The conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump" If I were Roger Stone (and I’m guessing Steve Bannon/Jared Kushner/Brad Parscale) that would make me very very nervous. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5447 "2018-07-13T17:27:20Z")
July 27th, 2016, **morning** : “Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing” July 27th, 2016: “for example, on or about July 27th, 2016, the conspirators attempted **after hours** to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clintons personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted 76 email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5448 "2018-07-13T17:27:24Z")
Also the indictment alleges Russia “on or about July 27, 2016” started trying to access Clinton’s personal emails. Which is the same day Trump gave his “Russia if you’re listening, I hope your able to find the 30,000 emails…” news conference. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5449 "2018-07-13T17:29:09Z")
😛 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5450 "2018-07-13T17:32:40Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Idiot, I don’t think you are actually a Russian bot, but you imitate one well. I find it hilarious and simultaneously pathetic: “Guys! GUYS!! Rosenstein said no _Americans_ were involved, so it’s all ok!!” > [@GrandWino](#): > > The indictment does say that Guccifer passed along information to campaign members (plural). > > If I were Roger Stone (and I’m guessing Steve Bannon/Jared Kushner/Brad Parscale) that would make me very very nervous. A good starting list, for sure. Let’s see how long Bannon stays in Europe. Where’s Kushner these days, by the way? Do we have an extradition treaty with Israel? I’ll bet we do. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5451 "2018-07-13T17:40:54Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Where’s Kushner these days, by the way? Do we have an extradition treaty with Israel? I’ll bet we do. We do but it can be complicated. Does Kushner have any claim to Israeli citizenship? That’s where it usually gets sticky. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5452 "2018-07-13T18:11:11Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The interesting thing to me was that (as in the prior Russian indictment) [Rosenstein said](https://www.npr.org/2018/07/13/628773789/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-unveils-new-hacking-charges-in-dnc-case) “There is no allegation in the indictment that any American participated knowingly in the GRU cyberattacks”. > > It’s possible that there’s nothing more than the literal words - that there’s nothing in the indictment about any Americans knowingly participating - but it certainly suggests that they don’t really think any Americans actually did, or there would be no real reason to stress this. And if this is the correct interpretation, then this is something of a development, because the hacking and dissemination of DNC emails was one of the most promising (such as it was) prospects for collusion. Ignoring, of course, the Americans who have already pleaded guilty to similar charges and those who are still under investigation. Because we all know that American Justice requires that EVERYONE involved be charged with the same thing at the same time. If this is the straw you’re grasping at, you’ve drowned. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5453 "2018-07-13T18:13:11Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Ignoring, of course, the Americans who have already pleaded guilty to similar charges and those who are still under investigation. > > Because we all know that American Justice requires that EVERYONE involved be charged with the same thing at the same time. > > If this is the straw you’re grasping at, you’ve drowned. It was actually in ‘this’ indictment that was continually said. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5454 "2018-07-13T19:01:33Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > C’mon now - PantsOnHead asked Putin twice if he was behind it, and he denied it \*\*\*both \*\*\*times. What more could you ask for? And I am pretty sure Putin did the whole “cross my heart and hope to die” thing… ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5455 "2018-07-13T19:11:03Z")
If Trump comes out of the meeting with Putin missing his watch or wedding ring and claims he gave it to Vlad as a token of friendship, that probably means Putin outright stole it. There’s precedent > **[Patriots' Robert Kraft: Vladimir Putin stole my Super Bowl ring](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patriots-robert-kraft-vladimir-putin-stole-my-super-bowl-ring/)** > > Patriots owner Robert Kraft came clean this week: Russian president Vladimir Putin DID steal Kraft's Super Bowl ring. In 2005, at the urging of the White House, Kraft said the ring had been a gift to Putin. And the Russia apologists should take note of stuff like this, the man may have money, power and nukes buts he’s still capable of being a straight up common criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5456 "2018-07-13T19:11:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > July 27th, 2016, **morning** : “Russia, if you’re listening I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing” > > July 27th, 2016: “for example, on or about July 27th, 2016, the conspirators attempted **after hours** to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third-party provider and used by Clintons personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted 76 email addresses at the domain for the Clinton campaign.” I honestly think that his best defense is to say, “Do you really think that I’d be that stupid?” Of course the answer is yes, but it does give me pause that someone could possibly be this stupid. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5457 "2018-07-13T19:44:18Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > The indictment does say that Guccifer passed along information to campaign members (plural). > > If I were Roger Stone (and I’m guessing Steve Bannon/Jared Kushner/Brad Parscale) that would make me very very nervous. Here’s something else I found interesting from paragraph 43 a) of the indictment (pages 15-16 of the indictment PDF) : “_On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen document’s related to the candidate’s opponent._” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5458 "2018-07-13T19:47:54Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Coming one day after the GOP’s despicable behavior… That doesn’t narrow it down much. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5459 "2018-07-13T20:00:23Z")
I found this buried in [a story about Alexander Vinnik, a Russian bit-coin dude who is being extradited from Greece to France](https://apnews.com/2204e7b06a9f4078bca3b4c1b4f17c5d/Russia-blasts-Greece-over-cybercrime-suspect's-extradition), over the objections of the Russian government; a Greek court okayed the transfer. > [@](#): > > The ruling was made a day after Greek authorities confirmed that two Russian diplomats were being expelled for allegedly providing protest funding in an attempt to keep neighbor Macedonia from joining NATO. I’m pretty sure it’s related to the Mueller investigation, if only for it’s origin. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5460 "2018-07-13T20:08:17Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Here’s something else I found interesting from paragraph 43 a) of the indictment (pages 15-16 of the indictment PDF) : > > “_On or about August 15, 2016, the Conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for the U.S. Congress. The Conspirators responded using the Guccifer 2.0 persona and sent the candidate stolen **document’s** related to the candidate’s opponent._” My bold. Are you honestly going to tell me that whoever wrote/typed up this momentous government document actually **used an apostrophe to create a plural???** A mistake that monumental threatens to invalidate the entire Mueller investigation! Seriously, **asahi** , is that mistake in the original or did you re-type instead of copy/pasting. I hope for the sake of our country’s future that it’s the former. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5461 "2018-07-13T20:14:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Interesting. A footnote in the indictments references a “Congressional candidate” who requested the stolen documents from Guccifer 2.0, on or about 8.15.2016. > > [https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1017805935400706052?s=19](https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1017805935400706052?s=19) My money’s on Chaffetz. I suspect he contacted “Guccifer 2.0” looking for a smoking gun from Hillary, which is why he bailed hard and fast on May 18, 2017 (just one day precisely after Mueller was appointed Special Council). You’ll recall, of course, that “Guccifer 2.0” is the online persona that was a front for the Fancy Bear group, a cyber-espionage team run by the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence department. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=272) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=274)