# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/541 "2017-11-06T03:02:20Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > So, when the Trump administration said that no one had any contact with the Russians, they missed one or two people. Or [at least nine](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/358865-leaked-documents-reveal-offshore-dealings-of-top-trump?rnd=1509915266). Getting harder by the day to name members of the Trump cabinet that _ **aren’t** _ involved with Russians than to name members who are. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/542 "2017-11-06T03:43:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > No sympathy for Flynn or his offspring. Nobody forced a former general, who later sat on the NSC, to advocate actually locking up a political opponent. Sorry but when he went there, he asked for this. No sympathy at all. Trump and his administration deserve the same level of compassion and dignity that they gave the Clintons and Obamas. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/543 "2017-11-06T04:02:02Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Trump and his administration deserve the same level of compassion and dignity that they gave the Clintons and Obamas. Really? Can we go that low? ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/544 "2017-11-06T04:37:42Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not to mention that the “kid” is in his own right the infamous “Pizzagate” white supremacist. He is not some well-meaning innocent who got in trouble merely through a filial desire to be helpful to his dad. He’s been cheerfully neck-deep in this shit swamp since day 1. IIRC they tried to give Jr. a job in the White House and he was denied a security clearance. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/545 "2017-11-06T05:08:49Z")
Lawyer: Mr. Trump, I’m afraid you are the most corrupt president in United States history. Your administration has everything. Mr. Trump: You mean I have money laundering? Lawyer: Yes. Mr. Trump: Sexual assault? Lawyer: Yes. Mr. Trump: Theft of a bulldozer from a federal construction site? Lawyer: Uh, a little bit, yes. You also have several crimes that have just been discovered - in your cabinet. Mr. Trump: I see. You sure you haven’t just made thousands of mistakes? Lawyer: Uh, no, no, I’m afraid not. Mr. Trump: This sounds like bad news. Lawyer: Well, you’d think so, but all of your crimes are in perfect balance. If you have a moment, I can explain. Mr. Trump: Well…[looks at his watch] Lawyer: Here’s the door to your administration, see? [brings up cute little fuzz balls with funny faces from under his desk] Lawyer: And these are oversized novelty crimes. This one’s destruction of evidence, that’s trespassing at a daycare center, and this cute little cuddle-bug is triple murder with a pitchfork! Here’s what happens when they all try to get through the door at once. [Stooge-like] Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo. Move it, chowderhead! Lawyer: We call it, “Three Stooges Syndrome”. Mr. Trump: So what you’re saying is, I’m indestructible. Lawyer: Oh, no, no, in fact, even slight breeze could… Mr. Trump: Indestructible! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/546 "2017-11-06T05:57:30Z")
Didn’t Ken Starr threaten to put Monica Lewinsky’s Mom in jail, or something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/547 "2017-11-06T12:17:40Z")
That female Russian lawyer is publicly saying that DonJr asked for fort on Hillary and told her they’d be willing to reexamine the Magnitsky Act of they won. [https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says) ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/548 "2017-11-06T13:44:28Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Not to mention that the “kid” is in his own right the infamous “Pizzagate” white supremacist. He is not some well-meaning innocent who got in trouble merely through a filial desire to be helpful to his dad. He’s been cheerfully neck-deep in this shit swamp since day 1. Yes, the _Tu Quoque Brigade_ will be happy to point to some obscure comments on a YouTube, or by a Democratic Chicago precinct captain, to prove that both sides have nuts … **But this guy was a White House Aide**. His father isn’t just some Brooklyn pimp — he was the (Russia-blackmailable) _ **National Security Adviser** _, for Heaven’s sake, :eek: What’s the GOP’s and FoxNews’ take on this? Still think Mueller should be going after the Benghazi Tapes? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/549 "2017-11-06T15:41:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > What’s the GOP’s and FoxNews’ take on this? Still think Mueller should be going after the Benghazi Tapes? Naw, now it’s Hillary gave the Rooskis uranium!!! Lock her up! ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/550 "2017-11-06T16:23:12Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You’ve probably already noticed, the rotten apples in this investigation (Trump Jr., Flynn Jr. and Manafort Jr.) don’t fall far from the diseased trees. Don’t forget Jared. Someone on the SDMB said earlier that he would have an easy time getting into prison - he’s a legacy! ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/551 "2017-11-06T16:36:10Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Holy shit. I’m torn about this. On the one hand, threatening someone’s child in order to get them to cooperate is a typical villain move. > > On the other hand, if you’re threatening the child with legal consequences for the crimes that the parent got them to commit, the parent doesn’t get to complain, nor does the child, so I guess it’s no longer a villain move. > > And if you get your kid to commit a crime, and you refuse to cooperate even though that sends your kid to jail, you win a Worst Dad of the Decade award. He’s hardly a “kid” he’s 34. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/552 "2017-11-06T16:48:00Z")
The President is somewhat uncertain about this Donald Trump, Jr. fellow. He has an excellent, excellent memory, so we can be assured when he tell us he doesn’t remember this fellow. Maybe a coffee-felching volunteer, of no particular significance. Might have met him once or twice, not really sure… “Coffee-fetching”. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/553 "2017-11-06T17:14:58Z")
[FBI Looking into Flynn’s efforts in getting a Turkish cleric handed over to Turkey.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZMS_2baakE) This of course had a pricetag in the millions. Gotta stock up on popcorn. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/554 "2017-11-06T17:26:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Coffee-fetching”. Sorry. \*covfefe ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/555 "2017-11-06T18:36:19Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > He’s hardly a “kid” he’s 34. Speaking of kids [who aren’t kids](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says). There is quid and there is quo. The pro seems obvious, but is it provable: _“A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.”_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/556 "2017-11-06T18:53:29Z")
Rex Tillerson, Prime Minister of Exxon, worked in happy cooperation with Putin to make a multi-billion dollar deal for Russia’s Arctic oil reserves. He was lauded, medaled and praised for this. Then the sanctions came down, and the deal went poof! Then, due Sexy Rexy’s vast experience in international diplomacy, he is selected as SecState. Right. Sure. Hugh Betcha. If I were on a jury, sworn to the standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, it would be different. I’m not. Guilty. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/557 "2017-11-06T19:07:12Z")
And the ExxonMobil board gave him a $27 million going-away present when he took the nomination, purely as a token of their thanks. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/558 "2017-11-06T19:15:24Z")
[Holy cow.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/massive-leak-reveals-new-ties-between-trump-administration-and-russia-implicating-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-and-jared-kushner) You can’t tell your scandals without a program. > [@](#): > > Among the Trump administration officials implicated in the leaks is Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who according to the documents concealed his ties to a Russian energy company that is partly owned by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s judo partner Gennady Timchenko and Putin’s son-in-law, Kirill Shamalov. Through offshore investments, Ross held a stake in Navigator Holdings, which had a close business relationship with the Russian firm. Ross did not disclose that connection during his confirmation process on Capitol Hill. > [@](#): > > Top White House adviser Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, is also implicated. The documents reveal that Russian tech leader Yuri Milner invested $850,000 in a startup called Cadre that Kushner co-founded in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/559 "2017-11-06T22:38:24Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Lawyer: Mr. Trump, I’m afraid you are the most corrupt president in United States history. Your administration has everything. > Mr. Trump: You mean I have money laundering? > Lawyer: Yes. > Mr. Trump: Sexual assault? > Lawyer: Yes. > Mr. Trump: Theft of a bulldozer from a federal construction site? > Lawyer: Uh, a little bit, yes. You also have several crimes that have just been discovered - in your cabinet. > Mr. Trump: I see. You sure you haven’t just made thousands of mistakes? > Lawyer: Uh, no, no, I’m afraid not. > Mr. Trump: This sounds like bad news. > Lawyer: Well, you’d think so, but all of your crimes are in perfect balance. If you have a moment, I can explain. > Mr. Trump: Well…[looks at his watch] > Lawyer: Here’s the door to your administration, see? [brings up cute little fuzz balls with funny faces from under his desk] > Lawyer: And these are oversized novelty crimes. This one’s destruction of evidence, that’s trespassing at a daycare center, and this cute little cuddle-bug is triple murder with a pitchfork! Here’s what happens when they all try to get through the door at once. > [Stooge-like] Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo. Move it, chowderhead! > Lawyer: We call it, “Three Stooges Syndrome”. > Mr. Trump: So what you’re saying is, I’m indestructible. > Lawyer: Oh, no, no, in fact, even slight breeze could… > Mr. Trump: Indestructible! I get that reference now! (I wasn’t allowed to watch the Simpsons growing up.) Nice to inject a bit of happiness in this horribleness. Edit: [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0euMFAWF8). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/560 "2017-11-07T01:06:57Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > That female Russian lawyer is publicly saying that DonJr asked for fort on Hillary and told her they’d be willing to reexamine the Magnitsky Act of they won. > > [https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says](https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says) > [@](#): > > … The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to.… I see the strategy now. They are doing everything they can to make our heads hurt so long and hard that we will have to throw up our hands and say _fuuuuck_ just to make the pain stop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=29)