# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 280
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5582 "2018-07-16T20:36:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > NRA member and gun rights advocate, Russian national Maria Butina, has been arrested for working as an agent for Russia. > [DOJ Charges Russian National Maria Butina With Acting As Foreign Agent | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doj-charges-maria-butina_us_5b4cec64e4b0e7c958fe56b2)? Another law enforcement job well done. Go, DOJ and FBI!! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5583 "2018-07-16T20:38:57Z")
So … Positive Gun News? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5584 "2018-07-16T20:39:15Z")
[Did you hear about Putin’s “incredible offer” to Trump?](https://apnews.com/3187ffc2e9d641f19d61e685f3da9dc2/Trump:-Putin-made-'incredible-offer'-in-Russian-hacking-case) > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin privately made an “incredible offer” to help American investigators in their prosecution of 12 Russian intelligence officers accused of hacking crimes during the 2016 presidential election. > > “He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people,” Trump told reporters during a news conference in Helsinki following his joint summit with Putin. “I think that’s an incredible offer, OK?” Are you fucking kidding me? They’re flaunting it across the world… what are we going to do about it? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5585 "2018-07-16T20:44:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > NRA member and gun rights advocate, Russian national Maria Butina, has been arrested for working as an agent for Russia. > [DOJ Charges Russian National Maria Butina With Acting As Foreign Agent | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doj-charges-maria-butina_us_5b4cec64e4b0e7c958fe56b2)? I read the indictment and [posted about it over in the non-Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21089184&postcount=4726). She literally wrote to Republican activist Paul Erickson that she was trying to set up a back channel between Trump and the Kremlin. In writing, she said this. The Republicans, the Christian group organizing the Prayer Breakfast, the NRA… all of them were in on it. And, just for giggles, here’s Butina sharing a moment with former NRA President and Lon Chaney cosplay champion Wayne Lapierre: [https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857](https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5586 "2018-07-16T22:07:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > NRA member and gun rights advocate, Russian national Maria Butina, has been arrested for working as an agent for Russia. > [DOJ Charges Russian National Maria Butina With Acting As Foreign Agent | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/doj-charges-maria-butina_us_5b4cec64e4b0e7c958fe56b2)? > [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I read the indictment and [posted about it over in the non-Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21089184&postcount=4726). She literally wrote to Republican activist Paul Erickson that she was trying to set up a back channel between Trump and the Kremlin. In writing, she said this. The Republicans, the Christian group organizing the Prayer Breakfast, the NRA… all of them were in on it. > > And, just for giggles, here’s Butina sharing a moment with former NRA President and Lon Chaney cosplay champion Wayne Lapierre: [https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857](https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857) This is going to be very big, once we get tired of watching and discussing Trump’s careful attentions to Putin’s posterior. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5587 "2018-07-16T22:30:11Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > This is going to be very big, once we get tired of watching and discussing Trump’s careful attentions to Putin’s posterior. Kind of like how Watergate uncovered a whole raft of sleazy and corrupt behavior, the history of l’affaire Trump may include some really weird and crazy stuff. Like, how it turned out that the NRA was a money-laundering front for Russian oligarchs. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5588 "2018-07-16T22:47:35Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Kind of like how Watergate uncovered a whole raft of sleazy and corrupt behavior, the history of l’affaire Trump may include some really weird and crazy stuff. Like, how it turned out that the NRA was a money-laundering front for Russian oligarchs. You’re right; I certainly would never have predicted _that_ one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5589 "2018-07-16T22:52:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > … Russian national Maria Butina, has been arrested for working as an agent for Russia… Overheard at gun show: “So, which is best for killing moose and squirrel?” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5590 "2018-07-17T01:26:07Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I read the indictment and [posted about it over in the non-Pit thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21089184&postcount=4726). She literally wrote to Republican activist Paul Erickson that she was trying to set up a back channel between Trump and the Kremlin. In writing, she said this. The Republicans, the Christian group organizing the Prayer Breakfast, the NRA… all of them were in on it. > > And, just for giggles, here’s Butina sharing a moment with former NRA President and Lon Chaney cosplay champion Wayne Lapierre: [https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857](https://twitter.com/AndrewZucker/status/1018955495779065857) Yes, this is going to be a big deal. I wonder if Trump will pardon her. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5591 "2018-07-17T07:43:36Z")
When people ridiculed Quayle (argued with a 3rd-grader about how to spell ‘potatoes’) or Ford (can’t walk while chewing gum) I was the guy saying “Wrong! You don’t rise that high if you’re an imbecile.” I’ve changed my view. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Did you hear about Putin’s “incredible offer” to Trump?](https://apnews.com/3187ffc2e9d641f19d61e685f3da9dc2/Trump:-Putin-made-'incredible-offer'-in-Russian-hacking-case) > > > [@](#): > > > > President Donald Trump said Monday that Russian President Vladimir Putin privately made an “incredible offer” to help American investigators in their prosecution of 12 Russian intelligence officers accused of hacking crimes during the 2016 presidential election. > > > > “He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people,” Trump told reporters during a news conference in Helsinki following his joint summit with Putin. “I think that’s an incredible offer, OK?” > > Are you fucking kidding me? They’re flaunting it across the world… what are we going to do about it? Either Trump is an imbecile or his base is mostly imbeciles. Or (my bet) both. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5592 "2018-07-17T09:20:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Overheard at gun show: > > “So, which is best for killing moose and squirrel?” You generally want different guns - moose requires rather large caliber power to provide enough stopping power. Angry moose is very bad. Squirrel does not require such large gun. Little squirrel plus big bullet equals big mess. Best to use leetle gun. Most best to not kill Squirrel. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5593 "2018-07-17T16:09:29Z")
Two things I’ll mention because I haven’t yet seen them mentioned: 1. Maddow noted last night on her show that pretrial motions in Manafort’s case before Judge Ellis (the Virginia case) were postponed for a week. The judge is known for moving his docket along at a painful pace, so his willingness to postpone is… noteworthy. 2. Rod Rosenstein was just seen leaving the White House a few minutes ago. Another briefing about Coming Attractions? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5594 "2018-07-17T16:16:36Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > 1. Rod Rosenstein was just seen leaving the White House a few minutes ago. Another briefing about Coming Attractions? [VICE is on it](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/white-house-mysteriously-summons-rod-rosenstein-days-dropped-bombshell-russia-indictments-report/) but has no answers. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5595 "2018-07-17T16:17:39Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Two things I’ll mention because I haven’t yet seen them mentioned: > > 1. Maddow noted last night on her show that pretrial motions in Manafort’s case before Judge Ellis (the Virginia case) were postponed for a week. The judge is known for moving his docket along at a painful pace, so his willingness to postpone is… noteworthy. > > 2. Rod Rosenstein was just seen leaving the White House a few minutes ago. Another briefing about Coming Attractions? Question on your first point: Painful, as in fast? Or painfully slow? And a link on your second point: [From Raw Story.](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/white-house-mysteriously-summons-rod-rosenstein-days-dropped-bombshell-russia-indictments-report/) It’s at moments like this that [I can’t help but think…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5596 "2018-07-17T16:22:19Z")
I’m willing to believe it’s just a regularly scheduled meeting that Rosenstein routinely attends. I don’t see any basis to assert Rosenstein was “summoned” as stated by Hans Nichols. Of course he might have been, but I just didn’t see why Nichols put it like that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5597 "2018-07-17T16:25:51Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Question on your first point: Painful, as in fast? Or painfully slow? Painfully fast. Examples: Manafort’s motion for a continuance to better prepare his case was denied, as was the prosecution’s request for a 3-week time estimate for trial. The judge seemed disgruntled to give them 2 weeks and said from the bench that he felt the case should be able to be tried in 1 week. (!!!) Sorry; I should have made that clear. LOL on your doggie link. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5598 "2018-07-17T16:33:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > It’s at moments like this that [I can’t help but think…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphNpqKpKc4) > [@Aspenglow](#): > > LOL on your doggie link. 😃 I prefer the internet’s original: [Drama Prairie Dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs). ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5599 "2018-07-17T17:53:34Z")
There are Republican congressmen on CNN this morning questioning whether Trump is compromised. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5600 "2018-07-17T18:51:32Z")
Interesting Tim Dickenson tweet thread about Butina and her contacts with the GOP over the past 7 years, including the revelation that _John Bolton_ recorded a video for her in 2013. [https://twitter.com/7im/status/1018984251721543680?s=19](https://twitter.com/7im/status/1018984251721543680?s=19) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5601 "2018-07-17T19:07:03Z")
Every time we look up we see more Trumpy Wumpy “friends” and administration members with ties to Russia and Russian businesses. Now he “misspoke” for 20 minutes. Is there enough to start with on the investigation yet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=279) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=281)