# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5622 "2018-07-18T01:47:25Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You are thinking of the correct judge. Judge T. S. Ellis III of the Eastern District of Virginia. > > Trial date is set for July 25th. I heard that Mueller’s team gave a trial time estimate of 3 weeks. The judge gave them 2 weeks, saying he thought the case could be tried in 1 week – so thought a 2-week time estimate was generous. I wonder who’ll be more surprised, the judge if the trial takes more than 2 weeks or me if it takes less than 4? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5623 "2018-07-18T01:50:19Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Here is a site to keep you updated on a daily basis. > > [https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com](https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com) Aye; Mr. Kiser does good work. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5624 "2018-07-18T02:26:01Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I wonder who’ll be more surprised, the judge if the trial takes more than 2 weeks or me if it takes less than 4? LOL, you and I think alike. I nearly added a personal aside to my previous post that I’ll be surprised if the trial takes less than 3 weeks. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5625 "2018-07-18T02:29:15Z")
It is a LOT more than calling into question the legitimacy of Trumps election. I’m 99% sure that Russian money was laundered in the hundreds of millions if not billions through Trump. Mueller has the best forensics accountants on the planet that cut their teeth with Enron. They have the goods and will drop the hammer. That and there might be pee pee tapes. And, as I have said since day 1, if Mueller comes back with there is no there there, I will accept it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5626 "2018-07-18T07:30:21Z")
I will also accept it. And I will paint my butt blue, move to the country and you can call me Ophelia. A vow of silence, chastity, and modesty, a diet of goat cheese and raw okra. Or bourbon. One or the other. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5627 "2018-07-18T07:44:06Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > It is a LOT more than calling into question the legitimacy of Trumps election. > > I’m 99% sure that Russian money was laundered in the hundreds of millions if not billions through Trump. Mueller has the best forensics accountants on the planet that cut their teeth with Enron. They have the goods and will drop the hammer. That and there might be pee pee tapes. > > And, as I have said since day 1, if Mueller comes back with there is no there there, I will accept it. What happens when Mueller comes back with all the there there is and the Republicans do nothing about it? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5628 "2018-07-18T12:13:48Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > What happens when Mueller comes back with all the there there is and the Republicans do nothing about it? That’s more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5629 "2018-07-18T15:07:20Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was telling a friend the other day that when Obama was in office, unless there was some big deal thing going on, I had no idea what he was up to. I knew he was taking care of business but how he was going about it didn’t really cross my mind. Now I feel bombarded with Trump shit every single day. And I can’t escape it. It’s exhausting. Reminds me of John Mulaney’s “[horse in a hospital](http://scrapsfromtheloft.com/2018/05/05/john-mulaney-kid-gorgeous-at-radio-city-full-transcript/)” routine. > [@John Mulaney](#): > > Also, I thought the last guy was pretty smart, and he seemed good at his job, and I’m lazy by nature. I’m lazy by nature too. So I don’t check up on people when they seem okay at their job. You may think that’s an ignorant answer but it’s not, it’s a great answer. If you left your baby with your mother tonight, you’re not going to race home and check the nanny cam. But if you leave your baby with Gary Busey… ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5630 "2018-07-18T15:59:33Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > If you read the indictments, you can see precisely what they are being charged with. So not playing nice on Facebook gets defined as defrauding the gubmit, etc, etc. by the special prosecutor. Riiiight. :rolleyes: We’ll see how it turns out in court… > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > So … Positive Gun News? Great way to get some attention from the right wing, at least. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5631 "2018-07-18T16:20:54Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > So not playing nice on Facebook gets defined as defrauding the gubmit, etc, etc. by the special prosecutor. Riiiight. :rolleyes: > > We’ll see how it turns out in court… > > Great way to get some attention from the right wing, at least. If that’s what you claim, then you clearly either a) have not read the indictments or b) are deliberately trying to confuse the issue for some reason. For example, in what way does Count Ten (conspiracy to launder money) equate to “not playing nice on Facebook”? Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5632 "2018-07-18T16:23:41Z")
Yeah, you Russian troll: which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5633 "2018-07-18T16:29:46Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The question is whether even solid proof from Putin that thump’s victory was due to Russian interference would “destroy Trump’s [sic] legitimacy.” I read something this this morning in the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/16/this-c-span-caller-thinks-russia-meddled-and-shes-glad-about-it/?utm_term=.0dc01c367ae0): > \ She doesn’t give a fuck about legitimacy. > > Hell, Putin probably should just take credit for thump’s win and maybe Congress will give him a medal and the MAGAbots can hold a rally at the nearest Wal-Mart. (After they clear out all those brown rugrats.) This is the thing that I find most mind-boggling – that people who claim to be Americans have such deep hatred for people like the Clintons that they’d rather have a foreign power interfere to help their side win than to just accept the normal outcome of a democratic election and say “we’ll just have to try harder four years from now.” But I suppose it’s no different than people who call themselves “Christians” but have no problem with families being broken up, children locked up in cages, etc. Because that’s what Jesus would do, right? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5634 "2018-07-18T16:52:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@The\_Tooth](#): > > > > What happens when Mueller comes back with all the there there is and the Republicans do nothing about it? > > That’s more likely. I doubt that the Republicans would do nothing. Obfuscate, prevaricate, gaslight, demand investigations of the investigators\*, engage in character assassination, sure; but nothing? No. \*And if the investigations of the investigators don’t return the results they want, demand investigations of the investigators who investigated the investigators. Or sack them, whichever comes first. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5635 "2018-07-18T16:52:06Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > If that’s what you claim, then you clearly either a) have not read the indictments or b) are deliberately trying to confuse the issue for some reason. For example, in what way does Count Ten (conspiracy to launder money) equate to “not playing nice on Facebook”? > > Which is it? The incorrect assumption in your part (a) choice is covered under the etc. etc. portion of my statement. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5636 "2018-07-18T16:55:30Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > This is the thing that I find most mind-boggling – that people who claim to be Americans have such deep hatred for people like the Clintons that they’d rather have a foreign power interfere to help their side win than to just accept the normal outcome of a democratic election and say “we’ll just have to try harder four years from now.” But I suppose it’s no different than people who call themselves “Christians” but have no problem with families being broken up, children locked up in cages, etc. Because that’s what Jesus would do, right? It is mind-boggling. But it just proves what we’ve known all along. These people have no interest in freedom, or democracy, or sovereignty, or the Constitution. They care about “winning” - however they define it - and if “winning” means giving up their freedom and their democracy they are okay with that. These people are enemies of human freedom. It never enters into their tiny pea brains what will happen when their authoritarian leaders inflict something they don’t agree with. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5637 "2018-07-18T16:58:17Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > For example, in what way does Count Ten (conspiracy to launder money) equate to “not playing nice on Facebook”? It doesn’t. But on that general topic, I suspect there is alot of money laundering going on right now, for much larger amounts, which might actually hold real prosecutor potential. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5638 "2018-07-18T17:03:55Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > It doesn’t. But on that general topic, I suspect there is alot of money laundering going on right now, for much larger amounts, which might actually hold real prosecutor potential. :smack: Just FYI, but you are hilariously stupid. You’re almost but not quite up there with Silver Lining. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5639 "2018-07-18T17:04:26Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > I was telling a friend the other day that when Obama was in office, unless there was some big deal thing going on, I had no idea what he was up to. I knew he was taking care of business but how he was going about it didn’t really cross my mind. Now I feel bombarded with Trump shit every single day. And I can’t escape it. It’s exhausting. John Mullaney has almost the perfect illustration of this in his Radio City concert: (N.B. PARAPHRASED) _Half the people are saying “Why didn’t you care so much about it when the last guy did the same thing” And I say, “BECAUSE I WASN’T PAYING ATTENTION! I know. I’m lazy, but most people ARE lazy, and we don’t pay attention until there’s a HORSE LOOSE IN A HOSPITAL! Besides, I thought the last guy did a pretty good job; but NOW THERE’S A HORSE LOOSE IN A HOSPITAL!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5640 "2018-07-18T17:05:40Z")
A new court filing claims Butina was in contact with the FSB for her entire time in the US. Also, the document alleges that she “offered an individual other than Person 1 sex in exchange for a position with a special interest organization. Further, in papers seized by the FBI, Butina complained about living with Person 1.” Person 1 appears to be Paul Erickson, who now would seem to have earned the alt-right’s greatest insult, “cuck”. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5641 "2018-07-18T17:08:14Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > The incorrect assumption in your part (a) choice is covered under the etc. etc. portion of my statement. I’m sorry, you’re not making any sense. As a reminder, here are the titles of the specific counts enumerated in the indictment: Counts 1, 11: Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States Counts 2-9: Aggravated Identity Theft Count 10: Conspiracy to Launder Money While I admit I haven’t read every word of the indictment, I did not see Facebook even mentioned, much less serving as the premise for the criminal charges. Got a page number where this is mentioned? You have attempted to dismiss the entire indictment as being nothing more than criminalizing "“not playing nice on Facebook”. Where is the support for your claim? I’ll stop there, lest I be accused of further feeding the troll. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=281) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=283)