# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 290
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5782 "2018-07-21T04:52:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Where did you hear that? :dubious: Lots of people are saying; smart people. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5783 "2018-07-21T05:30:04Z")
The smartest. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5784 "2018-07-21T05:47:02Z")
But are they _asking questions_? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5785 "2018-07-21T13:29:11Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > But are they _asking questions_? Questions are for _losers_! Asking a question means you don’t already know everything, and we follow the lead of our president pantsonhead who knows everything and asks no loser questions! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5786 "2018-07-21T13:58:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The patterns are clear to see. It all adds up to a grand conspiracy on an order of magnitude that’s difficult to absorb. No one wants to believe such a debacle was even ever possible in the good ol’ US of A. Acceptance is always the last stage of grief. Really. This has been unfolding like the worst Tom Clancy novel _ever_. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5787 "2018-07-21T14:07:19Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Really. This has been unfolding like the worst Tom Clancy novel _ever_. I’ve never read any Tom Clancy; never seen any movies based on his books; never played any video games based on his stuff either. To me, this is playing out like about half of Richard Condon’s novels. I mean, it’s so similar that if Vicks VapoRub starts popping up in the news stories, I won’t be surprised at all. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5788 "2018-07-21T15:02:12Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > We’re finally [talking about the big conspiracy](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/opinion/republican-party-national-rifle-association-trump-russia.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region) and taking off the tin foil hats for the discussion. For the sake of argument, if this conspiracy is as big or bigger than it appears to be (meaning Trump knowingly colluded with Russians and the Republican party via the NRA is in deep with the Russians as well), what the fuck happens next? They control all the levers of government. Oh, Trump knew, and he knows. It would be impossible to NOT know. Even his stupid shit of a son Donny Jr. knew, and that boy really is fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5789 "2018-07-21T16:09:41Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No, they’re taking Point Mugu, as that will give them vital strategic control of Oxnard. What about Sovang? I doubt that Putin wants the Danes to be that close… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5790 "2018-07-21T17:11:53Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > What about Sovang? I doubt that Putin wants the Danes to be that close… [Solvang.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvang,_California) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5791 "2018-07-21T17:31:28Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > No, they’re taking Point Mugu, as that will give them vital strategic control of Oxnard. Trump is reputedly uninterested in Oxnard as he dislikes rocky mountain oysters. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5792 "2018-07-21T17:36:59Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Really. This has been unfolding like the worst Tom Clancy novel _ever_. I’ve heard it said that if you wrote a fictional book with a plot line like what we’ve learned since Trump’s election, you couldn’t get it published. Ridiculously fanciful and no one would believe it. This, sadly, works to Trump’s advantage. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5793 "2018-07-21T18:07:03Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ve heard it said that if you wrote a fictional book with a plot line like what we’ve learned since Trump’s election, you couldn’t get it published. Ridiculously fanciful and no one would believe it. > > This, sadly, works to Trump’s advantage. If a nuclear war wipes all western countries out and only people surviving will be living in remote areas, it’s possible that when a new civilization rises after several centuries people will write their ‘bible’ and instead God and Devil there will be Obama and Trump… _Edit: and the white people will be slaves as they obviously are cursed,_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5794 "2018-07-21T18:13:03Z")
LOL, I was calling this the worst Robert Ludlum novel written prior to the election. Tom Clancy? Too technical. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5795 "2018-07-21T18:28:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ve heard it said that if you wrote a fictional book with a plot line like what we’ve learned since Trump’s election, you couldn’t get it published. Ridiculously fanciful and no one would believe it. > > This, sadly, works to Trump’s advantage. There’s a, IIRC, Irving Wallace novel that has the Russkies kidnapping the First Lady and replacing her with a look-alike. The awesome thing about this book was much of the plot hinged on whether or not the spy could fuck the President like his wife did/does. Of course, in our world, the First Lady is probably only the assets handler. 🙂 Here it is: [The Second Lady - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Lady) ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5796 "2018-07-21T18:48:56Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > If a nuclear war wipes all western countries out and only people surviving will be living in remote areas, it’s possible that when a new civilization rises after several centuries people will write their ‘bible’ and instead God and Devil there will be Obama and Trump… > _Edit: and the white people will be slaves as they obviously are cursed,_ If there is such a war, Donald Trump will say that he won it. That will be the future of our history. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5797 "2018-07-21T18:59:12Z")
Well, let them look around. Everything is destroyed, ruins and bones everywhere - the Devil won for sure. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5798 "2018-07-21T19:08:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > For the sake of argument, if this conspiracy is as big or bigger than it appears to be (meaning Trump knowingly colluded with Russians… I believe a more likely overall characterization would be something more like ongoing, routine Russian intel and espionage activities dropped a random round of good luck right in their lap, unsolicited. Then they got caught. Now they are milking it for all it’s worth. It’s quite the interesting and amusing charade. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5799 "2018-07-21T19:17:22Z")
Wait, what? “Russian intel” got lucky, and now “they” are milking it for all its worth? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5800 "2018-07-21T19:41:51Z")
> [@BeenJammin](#): > > I believe a more likely overall characterization would be something more like ongoing, routine Russian intel and espionage activities dropped a random round of good luck right in their lap, unsolicited. Then they got caught. Now they are milking it for all it’s worth. > > It’s quite the interesting and amusing charade. “Good Luck”in the form of a useful idiot that they managed to manipulate into running for President. Whose idea of an “incredible deal” is “We’ll have Bob Mueller give all his evidence to your intelligence service so they can help us, and in exchange we’ll turn over two of our citizens to your secret police for interrogation. I’m reading Michael McFaul’s book on Russia “From Cold War to Hot Peace”. McFaul is an ex-ambassador and one of the guys Putin wants Trump to hand over so they can torture and kill him. It’s a little dry but a good history of the US interaction with modern Russia. When you read about the amount of thought and preparation that used to go into every interaction with Russia, and the underlying cynicism that is required to pull it off - the knowledge that in all probability they aren’t acting in good faith — well, the contrast with Trump is staggering. And a little frightening. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2018, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5801 "2018-07-21T19:56:35Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > …one of the guys Putin wants Trump to hand over so they can torture and kill him… Almost certainly not. Much more likely they will hope to get clues on who in Russia is leaking info. _Them_ they will torture and kill. The Ambassador would simply return home and kiss the ground he lands upon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=289) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=291)