# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 295
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5882 "2018-07-25T15:50:18Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That’s easy advice for us to give from Canada, where we usually only vote in one election at a time. > > Lot harder to implement in the US, where on one trip to the polls you might be voting for a president, a US senator, a US representative, a governor, a state senator, a state representative, a mayor, a city councilor, a judge… Automation becomes a lot more necessary. Which is why many (most?) places in the US use machine-readable paper ballots. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5883 "2018-07-25T15:51:14Z")
You fill in the ovals with a pen. All the same sheet. Simple, unhackable, easy to check any time. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5884 "2018-07-25T16:09:02Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Paper ballots can be scanned very easily. In Washington State we have complicated ballots, but they’re all paper (and all via mail—no trips to the polling place) Same here in Oregon. You can mail in your ballot, or you can drop it into an official designated ballot box right up to 8:00 p.m. on Election Day. Your choice. You can also log onto the Election Board’s website to make sure your vote has been received and counted. Our paper ballots are optically scanned, but if the vote tally is ever in question, there’s a way to recount if necessary. Also useful to conduct random audits. Everyone should double-check their voter registration in advance of the mid-term election: [Headcount.org](https://www.headcount.org/verify-voter-registration/). Maybe even triple-check. Vote, come hell or high water. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5885 "2018-07-25T18:24:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You fill in the ovals with a pen. All the same sheet. Simple, unhackable, easy to check any time. That’s what we’ve had in Maine for as long as I can remember. I can’t quite recall how it worked in San Francisco back in late 90’s/early Aughts, but I think it may have been the same. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5886 "2018-07-25T23:10:51Z")
I’m in Oregon. I’ve never found a paper ballot difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5887 "2018-07-25T23:57:12Z")
[GOP lawmakers introduce articles of impeachment against Rosenstein](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/398902-gop-lawmakers-introduce-impeachment-resolution-against-rosenstein): > [@](#): > > Conservative members led by Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) and Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), along with nine co-sponsors, introduced the articles shortly after a meeting with DOJ officials concerning document production. > > “For 9 months we’ve warned them consequences were coming, and for 9 months we’ve heard the same excuses backed up by the same unacceptable conduct. Time is up and the consequences are here. It’s time to find a new Deputy Attorney General who is serious about accountability and transparency,” Meadows, the head of the House Freedom Caucus and ally of President Trump, said in a statement. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5888 "2018-07-26T00:10:00Z")
Their reasons, of course, are straight bullshit. The first couple are that Rosenstein didn’t indulge their petty whims and conspiracy theories. Eventually they straight up lie about the dossier and FISA application. In a just world both of them would see some repercussions, so don’t hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5889 "2018-07-26T00:44:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [GOP lawmakers introduce articles of impeachment against Rosenstein](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/398902-gop-lawmakers-introduce-impeachment-resolution-against-rosenstein): Winding up the right hand, but watch out for the left jab. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5890 "2018-07-26T01:35:02Z")
Note that they didn’t file it as a “privileged resolution.” That way it can die in committee and they don’t have to force a floor vote, which would result in a [huge split in the GOP](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/right-wing-congressmen-file-articles-impeachment-deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein/). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5891 "2018-07-26T01:50:17Z")
> [@susan](#): > > I’m in Oregon. I’ve never found a paper ballot difficult. It’s easy here in Cali. Just fill in the little circles. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5892 "2018-07-26T01:51:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [GOP lawmakers introduce articles of impeachment against Rosenstein](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/398902-gop-lawmakers-introduce-impeachment-resolution-against-rosenstein): Fucking traitors. Just how much dirt does Putin have on THOSE fuckers? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5893 "2018-07-26T01:57:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Fucking traitors. Just how much dirt does Putin have on THOSE fuckers? What dirt? It’s the ultimate Party before Country. _Communist_ Party, that is. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5894 "2018-07-26T02:38:11Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [GOP lawmakers introduce articles of impeachment against Rosenstein](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/398902-gop-lawmakers-introduce-impeachment-resolution-against-rosenstein): If Jordan actually had a brain, he’d be trying to keep a lower profile at the moment. The ghost of Joe Paterno is looking to invite him to spend eternity haunting college locker rooms with him. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5895 "2018-07-26T05:54:19Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Note that they didn’t file it as a “privileged resolution.” That way it can die in committee and they don’t have to force a floor vote, which would result in a [huge split in the GOP](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/right-wing-congressmen-file-articles-impeachment-deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein/). Congress is about to recess for campaign season, so I have a feeling that Jordan _et.al._ wanted something on the record to use at rallies. “See how I’ve been fighting the Evil Deep State™ for you! MAGA!!!” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5896 "2018-07-26T11:10:31Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Congress is about to recess for campaign season, so I have a feeling that Jordan _et.al._ wanted something on the record to use at rallies. “See how I’ve been fighting the Evil Deep State™ for you! MAGA!!!” It’s a long shot, but that’s exactly the kind of thing that could garner a surprising number of GOP votes in support of impeachment. There will be pressure on some GOP members to show their pro-Trump credentials, though the best time to do that would have been before the primary season ended. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5897 "2018-07-26T11:44:20Z")
THe articles Of impeachment are ridiculous and attack him for things that have been done for decades and for not refusing himself from non-existent investigations. > ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5898 "2018-07-26T13:43:35Z")
As there is no “Michael Cohen” thread, this is probably best left here…? WaPo: More than 100 recordings made by Cohen in Feds possession: > **[‘I’m not going to be a punching bag anymore’: Inside Michael Cohen’s break...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/im-not-going-to-be-a-punching-bag-anymore-inside-michael-cohens-break-with-trump/2018/07/25/2471797a-9024-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html)** > > Cohen’s actions appear to be driven more by his outrage over the president’s indifference and feelings of betrayal than by a legal strategy to help his case. Most are not Trump related, so I’m wondering how worried Client #3 is feeling today? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5899 "2018-07-26T13:50:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > As there is no “Michael Cohen” thread, this is probably best left here…? > > WaPo: More than 100 recordings made by Cohen in Feds possession: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/im-not-going-to-be-a-punching-bag-anymore-inside-michael-cohens-break-with-trump/2018/07/25/2471797a-9024-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/im-not-going-to-be-a-punching-bag-anymore-inside-michael-cohens-break-with-trump/2018/07/25/2471797a-9024-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html) > > Most are not Trump related, so I’m wondering how worried Client #3 is feeling today? and Client 4, and Client 5, and … Cohen is Trump’s kryptonite, and probably many others too - he had recordings. Trump can lie like he always does, but the recordings exist and Meuller has them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5900 "2018-07-26T13:56:48Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > and Client 4, and Client 5, and … > > Cohen is Trump’s kryptonite, and probably many others too - he had recordings. Trump can lie like he always does, but the recordings exist and Meuller has them. I think he only had three. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5901 "2018-07-26T14:00:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I think he only had three. I thought Meuller had 12 tapes but apparently Cohen was very busy. As for how many clients Cohen had, who knows? I expect more will keep coming out from under the rocks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=294) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=296)