# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 298
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5942 "2018-07-27T00:31:02Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m sorry, but that is not correct. Yes, Avenatti may have speculated about Broidy, but as things stand now, this info is still correct: > > According to their testimony, presented to the judge by Cohen’s attorneys via this letter, Broidy is client #2. As there has been no other movement on this front… official movement like new filings, letters, etc… we should assume that Cohen’s lawyers were correct. > > [Who Has Michael Cohen Represented Other Than Trump?](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-represented-3-people-past-year-2018-4) > > I will note the CNBC article contradicts itself. At one point it says none of the clients have been revealed, then 10 paragraphs later states that 2 of the clients has been revealed. Sorry for the bad cite. That seems relatively authoritative. I concede the point. Avenatti’s information is curious, then. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5943 "2018-07-27T00:35:16Z")
I like Avenatti and he may be proven correct in the future, but as things stand currently… in court… DT, EB & SH are the three “official” clients. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5944 "2018-07-27T01:16:40Z")
> CNN scoop: Michael Cohen “claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton.” @jimsciutto, @carlbernstein live on @ChrisCuomo’s show now [https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html](https://t.co/9Cndc2XUTi) Ruh-roh. Cohen doesn’t have any documentation or other proof but he’s apparently willing to attest to this. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5945 "2018-07-27T01:26:25Z")
“Yo, donnie… I WANT MY PARDON _NOW_, DAMMIT!” “Mikey, Mikey… if I give it to you, you can be compelled to testify. At least without it, my crack lawyering team can argue that you’re lying to reduce your sentence. Sorry, kid.” ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5946 "2018-07-27T01:29:06Z")
I look forward to the moving of the goalposts. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5947 "2018-07-27T01:33:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [Solvang.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvang,_California) Yeah, I wish I could type…:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5948 "2018-07-27T01:34:13Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I look forward to the moving of the goalposts. Thank you for the laugh. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5949 "2018-07-27T01:41:53Z")
No documentation?? Great. Like returning a DVD without a receipt. There has GOT to be tapes or documents someplace. But it’s only one piece of evidence. Someone else has to admit this under oath besides oily Cohen. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5950 "2018-07-27T01:43:36Z")
Of course Trump knew about the meeting. He was concerned about Russian adoptions as much as any American and was shocked, SHOCKED when he found out the wench’s true motives. He then started a disinformation campaign on the Russians! Yeah, that’s the ticket! He was _helping_ the FBI when he asked for Russian help to find Hillary’s emails! Paraphrasing the words of the immortal Admiral Ackbar, it was a trap! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5951 "2018-07-27T01:48:50Z")
[Cohen claims Trump knew in advance of 2016 Trump Tower meeting](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html) Collusion confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5952 "2018-07-27T01:48:51Z")
Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, just released a statement saying it was _Trump’s_ team which leaked this latest news: > ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5953 "2018-07-27T01:54:01Z")
Can you tell we’re in the final 100-ish days before the mid-term elections? [Claire McCaskill Russian Phishing Scam](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/claire-mccaskill-phishing/index.html) (CNN) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5954 "2018-07-27T02:09:09Z")
Pretty sure junior lied to Congress about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5955 "2018-07-27T02:20:51Z")
Giuliani said we can’t believe Cohen because he is an established liar. So, their actual defense is that Cohen has spent so many years lying on behalf of Trump that we shouldn’t believe him. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5956 "2018-07-27T02:37:40Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Giuliani said we can’t believe Cohen because he is an established liar. So, their actual defense is that Cohen has spent so many years lying on behalf of Trump that we shouldn’t believe him. “Your honor, I fully admit to having murdered both my mother and my father, but I have to ask you to consider dismissing the charges. After all, your honor, I’m an ORPHAN!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5957 "2018-07-27T03:37:52Z")
Would like to remind people that a few hours after Trump Jr scheduled the meeting, on June 7th, 2016, Trump Sr gave a statement announcing an upcoming speech which would expose all kinds of shit about Hillary and her emails. The speech was canceled, the Pulse night club shooting given as a reason, and never given. (Hint: because the meeting was a bust.) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5958 "2018-07-27T04:28:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Would like to remind people that a few hours after Trump Jr scheduled the meeting, on June 7th, 2016, Trump Sr gave a statement announcing an upcoming speech which would expose all kinds of shit about Hillary and her emails. > > The speech was canceled, the Pulse night club shooting given as a reason, and never given. (Hint: because the meeting was a bust.) Do you have cites for Trump making a statement on that date? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5959 "2018-07-27T04:39:54Z")
> **[Conspiracy or Coincidence? A Timeline Open to Interpretation (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/politics/trump-russia-election-meeting.html)** > > Evidence of a meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer has raised questions about interference in the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign was involved. Here’s a rundown of last summer’s events, seen in the new light of recent... "WASHINGTON — At 6:14 p.m. on June 7, 2016, Donald Trump Jr. clicked the send button on an email to confirm a meeting with a woman described as a “Russian government attorney” who would give him “information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.” Three hours later, his father, Donald J. Trump, claimed victory in the final primary races propelling him to the Republican presidential nomination and a general election contest against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In his victory speech, Mr. Trump promised to deliver a major address detailing Mrs. Clinton’s “corrupt dealings” to give “favorable treatment” to foreign governments, including “the Russians.” The White House said the timing was a coincidence…" ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5960 "2018-07-27T04:48:54Z")
Awesome; thanks **JohnT**! You totally fucking rock! ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5961 "2018-07-27T06:25:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, just released a statement saying it was _Trump’s_ team which leaked this latest news: > > [https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1022657586653540352?s=19](https://twitter.com/MaddowBlog/status/1022657586653540352?s=19) They’ve been keeping this up fairly reliably through the whole thing. Once they figure that the cat is going to be out of the bag one way or the other, they release it so they can start fighting it early. It also makes the justice system look like it’s full of leakers with political motivations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=297) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=299)