# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 299
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5962 "2018-07-27T12:37:29Z")
The expected Tweetdown this morning has been epic: "Arrived back in Washington last night from a very emotional reopening of a major U.S. Steel plant in Granite City, Illinois, only to be greeted with the ridiculous news that the highly conflicted Robert Mueller and his gang of 13 Angry Democrats obviously cannot find Collusion… …,the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats, so now they are looking at my Tweets (along with 53 million other people) - the rigged Witch Hunt continues! How stupid and unfair to our Country…And so the Fake News doesn’t waste my time with dumb questions, NO,… …I did NOT know of the meeting with my son, Don jr. Sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam (Taxi cabs maybe?). He even retained Bill and Crooked Hillary’s lawyer. Gee, I wonder if they helped him make the choice!" So much to unpack here: 1. Trump also hired a lawyer who represented Billary. 2. Nice of him to corroborate that the meeting happened. Unnecessary, but nice. 3. … especially knowing Mueller is reading them… 4. The “taxi cabs” remark… (1) DJT has thrown that out there to cause Cohen more problems. (2) “Hey, what about all those crimes my lawyer was committing in this _other_ field while he was representing me!” (3) “I knew my lawyer was a crook! That’s why I hired him!” 5. “I might not have known about this meeting, which is why I helped Dotard Jr craft his first statement about it on AF1.” 6. At this meeting of steel workers, apparently Dotard promised them that the company was opening 7 new plants. They are not. (As a side note, if the President lies about your firm to its benefit (or detriment), and that moves the stock price, is that material enough to go into your companies 10k?) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5963 "2018-07-27T13:18:08Z")
[Giuliani in May](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-18-president-trumps-personal-attorney-rudy/story?id=54962143): “No. I expect that he is going to cooperate with them. I don’t think they’ll be happy with it because he doesn’t have any incriminating evidence about the president or himself. The man is an honest, honorable lawyer. And despite the Times article today, which is totally baseless, as far as I can tell, but you know, that’s his lawyer’s issue where they had to help.” [Giuliani in July](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-07-27T01%3A04%3A22&utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNN): “He has lied all his life… a person who is found to be an incredible liar, he’s got a tremendous motive to lie now… I don’t think anyone believes that.” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5964 "2018-07-27T13:27:22Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Of course Trump knew about the meeting. He was concerned about Russian adoptions as much as any American and was shocked, SHOCKED when he found out the wench’s true motives. He then started a disinformation campaign on the Russians! Yeah, that’s the ticket! He was _helping_ the FBI when he asked for Russian help to find Hillary’s emails! Paraphrasing the words of the immortal Admiral Ackbar, it was a trap! The 13 Angry Democrat Witch Hunters are getting so desperate that they’re blaming Trump for the actions of another random guy that also happens to be named Donald Trump. Whom President Trump barely knows, maybe he met him a few times but he meets lots of people. Sad! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5965 "2018-07-27T13:37:15Z")
If somebody knew that the next day, Il Douche was going to bluster a tariff threat to the soybean market, they could have plundered, wholesale. And if, a few days later, they knew in advance that he was going to back-peddle (wretched pun intended), they could make another handsome profit betting the opposite way. Trump is broke. He’s out there grubbing every nickel and dime, he is monetizing like a motherfuck. And here was a perfect set of opportunities to pull down a metric buttload of money. Given our modern financial system’s creative use of margins and leverage, a shit-ton buttload of bucks. So, anybody know a way to find out who might have been fiscally clairvoyant? Half expect to hear a tape of Il Douche saying “Yes, yes, we could do that.” And later claim that the tape was in error and left off before he said “But it would be wrong!” Followed by the no-nonsense, straight from the shoulder truthiness of “Operation Condor” and “My daughter loves that little dog, and I did not fuck that little dog!” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5966 "2018-07-27T13:56:10Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > [Giuliani in May](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-18-president-trumps-personal-attorney-rudy/story?id=54962143): “No. I expect that he is going to cooperate with them. I don’t think they’ll be happy with it because he doesn’t have any incriminating evidence about the president or himself. The man is an honest, honorable lawyer. And despite the Times article today, which is totally baseless, as far as I can tell, but you know, that’s his lawyer’s issue where they had to help.” > > [Giuliani in July](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-07-27T01%3A04%3A22&utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNN): “He has lied all his life… a person who is found to be an incredible liar, he’s got a tremendous motive to lie now… I don’t think anyone believes that.” Rudy, you are a credit to your President PantsOnHead. (My kindle has allowed me to add “PantsOnHead” to its dictionary. But it still won’t save “fuck.” Go figure. ) > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The 13 Angry Democrat Witch Hunters are getting so desperate that they’re blaming Trump for the actions of another random guy that also happens to be named Donald Trump. Whom President Trump barely knows, maybe he met him a few times but he meets lots of people. Sad! He will soon pull that explanation out of his ass, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5967 "2018-07-27T13:59:54Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/politics/trump-russia-election-meeting.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/politics/trump-russia-election-meeting.html) > > "WASHINGTON — At 6:14 p.m. on June 7, 2016, Donald Trump Jr. clicked the send button on an email to confirm a meeting with a woman described as a “Russian government attorney” who would give him “information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.” > > Three hours later, his father, Donald J. Trump, claimed victory in the final primary races propelling him to the Republican presidential nomination and a general election contest against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In his victory speech, Mr. Trump promised to deliver a major address detailing Mrs. Clinton’s “corrupt dealings” to give “favorable treatment” to foreign governments, including “the Russians.” > > The White House said the timing was a coincidence…" FTR and FWIW, I agree that the weight of the evidence very strongly implies that Trump Sr was aware of the meeting. To the cited point about timing, you need to add the calls to a blocked number, plus Steve Bannon’s assessment that Trump Jr would certainly have told his father about it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5968 "2018-07-27T14:03:14Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > FTR and FWIW, I agree that the weight of the evidence very strongly implies that Trump Sr was aware of the meeting. > > To the cited point about timing, you need to add the calls to a blocked number, plus Steve Bannon’s assessment that Trump Jr would certainly have told his father about it. Also [Nunberg](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-trump-aide-unloads-on-mueller-subpoena-refuses-to-cooperate/): “You know he knew about it. He was talking about it a week before, I don’t know why he went around trying to hide it,” said Nunberg. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5969 "2018-07-27T14:44:58Z")
[Two years ago today…](https://twitter.com/cspan/status/758320094619381760?s=19) Of course, the odd thing is, of all the security breaches in 2016, Hillary’s server was… as things stand now… not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5970 "2018-07-27T15:48:34Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > FTR and FWIW, I agree that the weight of the evidence very strongly implies that Trump Sr was aware of the meeting. > > To the cited point about timing, you need to add the calls to a blocked number, plus Steve Bannon’s assessment that Trump Jr would certainly have told his father about it. Don Jr can’t even post a photo of a sandwich without tagging his father 8 times so I can’t imagine him not telling his dad about this meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5971 "2018-07-27T15:52:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If somebody knew that the next day, Il Douche was going to bluster a tariff threat to the soybean market, they could have plundered, wholesale. And if, a few days later, they knew in advance that he was going to back-peddle (wretched pun intended), they could make another handsome profit betting the opposite way. > > Trump is broke. He’s out there grubbing every nickel and dime, he is monetizing like a motherfuck. And here was a perfect set of opportunities to pull down a metric buttload of money. Given our modern financial system’s creative use of margins and leverage, a shit-ton buttload of bucks. > > So, anybody know a way to find out who might have been fiscally clairvoyant? Half expect to hear a tape of Il Douche saying “Yes, yes, we could do that.” And later claim that the tape was in error and left off before he said “But it would be wrong!” > > Followed by the no-nonsense, straight from the shoulder truthiness of “Operation Condor” and “My daughter loves that little dog, and I did not fuck that little dog!” I was with you up until that last sentence. At that point, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Help? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5972 "2018-07-27T16:05:02Z")
Forget it, Greathouse. It’s Lucitown. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5973 "2018-07-27T16:10:35Z")
You guys are too young to get the references. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5974 "2018-07-27T16:18:56Z")
As I said about six months ago, I picture the Mueller investigation like that scene in _The Ten Commandments_ where the old lady greasing the skids gets her robe caught under a pyramid block. Only it isn’t an innocent old lady but an overseer with a whip who was capering about waving the whip. And John Derek is just standing there, laughing. In the [meantime](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20210120T12&p0=263&msg=No+more+Trump&font=cursive)… ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5975 "2018-07-27T16:32:21Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You guys are too young to get the references. Excuse me stewardess, I speak geriatric. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5976 "2018-07-27T16:35:04Z")
The reference is before my time as well, but it’s clearly a Nixon “Checkers” reference. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5977 "2018-07-27T16:36:43Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > As I said about six months ago, I picture the Mueller investigation like that scene in _The Ten Commandments_ where the old lady greasing the skids gets her robe caught under a pyramid block. Only it isn’t an innocent old lady but an overseer with a whip who was capering about waving the whip. And John Derek is just standing there, laughing. Or how about[this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJvgESR920) which also has the advantage of perfectly matching the personality of the antagonist. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5978 "2018-07-27T16:37:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > **Of course Trump knew about the meeting**. He was concerned about Russian **adoptions** as much as any American and was shocked, SHOCKED when he found out the wench’s true motives. He then started a disinformation campaign on the Russians! Yeah, that’s the ticket! He was _helping_ the FBI when he asked for Russian help to find Hillary’s emails! Paraphrasing the words of the immortal Admiral Ackbar, it was a trap! Funny. How many of us KNEW about this meeting (and others) long ago and were told it was bullshit??? Now how about the rest of the stuff we already know about??? But Hillary emails!!! Uh huh. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5979 "2018-07-27T16:40:09Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Would like to remind people that a few hours after Trump Jr scheduled the meeting, on June 7th, 2016, Trump Sr gave a statement **announcing an upcoming speech which would expose all kinds of shit** about Hillary and her emails. > > The speech was canceled, the Pulse night club shooting given as a reason, and never given. (Hint: because the meeting was a bust.) But it does show that Trump was **expecting** to have some dirt delivered into his nasty little hands. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5980 "2018-07-27T16:43:02Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > I was with you up until that last sentence. At that point, I have no idea what you’re talking about. > > Help? 😕 Nixon, the “Checkers speech”. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5981 "2018-07-27T16:59:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Funny. How many of us KNEW about this meeting (and others) long ago and were told it was bullshit??? Now how about the rest of the stuff we already know about??? > > … Some of us were even [there](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831406). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=298) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=300)