# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 300
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5982 "2018-07-27T17:45:03Z")
Wait! Wait! Back up to the top of the page, please…LANNY DAVIS is Cohen’s lawyer? Former DNC chair Lanny Davis? Former Hillary campaign officer Lanny Davis? Politics makes strange bedfellows… ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5983 "2018-07-27T17:51:19Z")
It would seem to me that with this information now in Mueller’s (and Congress and the public’s) hands, it’s now too late for DOTUS to fire Mueller without triggering immediate impeachment proceedings for obstruction of justice and more public outcry against him. Is this faulty logic? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5984 "2018-07-27T18:02:55Z")
[Well, this is awkward.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/robert-mueller-trump-jr-picture-dca-airport-745144) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5985 "2018-07-27T18:07:48Z")
[Avenatti has picked up three more clients.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/michael-avenatti-new-clients-745129) > [@](#): > > All three, he said, were paid “hush money” before the 2016 election. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5986 "2018-07-27T19:06:02Z")
Michael Avenatti tweeted this morning, “.@RudyGiuliani I saw your interview last night with @ChrisCuomo. Thank you! You are the best lawyer we have working for us on our team (and for free). Keep up the great work. Please don’t stop making public statements.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5987 "2018-07-27T19:06:10Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > It would seem to me that with this information now in Mueller’s (and Congress and the public’s) hands, it’s now too late for DOTUS to fire Mueller without triggering immediate impeachment proceedings for obstruction of justice and more public outcry against him. Is this faulty logic? JMHO, but I actually think this has been the case for quite some time. Ever since it became clear that Mueller has done a dynamite job of distributing his workload among various US attorneys’ offices, the IRS, several states attorneys’ offices and others, TrumpCo is screwed. Even if Trump fires Mueller, Rosenstein, Sessions, the whole FBI, the entire DOJ… these matters go forward. Which means he’s going to do his best to break everything before he goes down in flames. We’re in very dangerous times, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5988 "2018-07-27T19:49:09Z")
My new thread… [Would there be a “Trump/Russia” investigation had Hillary won?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=859495), of likely interest to participants in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5989 "2018-07-27T20:28:27Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Excuse me stewardess, I speak geriatric. This had me searching for the “like” button. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5990 "2018-07-27T20:42:25Z")
After the Helsinki summit, Trump was all excited about his new best friend Vlad and had to make up excuses when Vlad said “Don’t call me, I will call you… cyka.” So now that Vlad has declined having a sleepover at Donnie’s place, Trump has simply gone ahead and [invited himself to Moscow](http://time.com/5351307/trump-moscow-visit-putin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29). ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5991 "2018-07-27T21:01:37Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > After the Helsinki summit, Trump was all excited about his new best friend Vlad and had to make up excuses when Vlad said “Don’t call me, I will call you… cyka.” So now that Vlad has declined having a sleepover at Donnie’s place, Trump has simply gone ahead and [invited himself to Moscow](http://time.com/5351307/trump-moscow-visit-putin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29). The article — or at least the headline — implies that rather than inviting himself, he’s open to an invitation from Godfather Vlad. Though his BQ (Boorish Quotient) is certainly high enough for him to crash the Kremlin. Why do I have an image of Charlie Brown camped out by the mailbox, waiting/hoping for a valentine from the little red-haired girl? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5992 "2018-07-27T21:13:37Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > This had me searching for the “like” button. 🙂 Damn whipper-snappers! GET OFF MY LAWN!! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5993 "2018-07-27T22:02:37Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Some of us were even [there](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831406). You know too much. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5994 "2018-07-27T22:05:13Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > This had me searching for the “like” button. 🙂 Same here. We need a “like” button ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5995 "2018-07-27T22:10:01Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > After the Helsinki summit, Trump was all excited about his new best friend Vlad and had to make up excuses when Vlad said “Don’t call me, I will call you… cyka.” So now that Vlad has declined having a sleepover at Donnie’s place, Trump has simply gone ahead and [invited himself to Moscow](http://time.com/5351307/trump-moscow-visit-putin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29). Geez, I’ve known people like that. :rolleyes: You just turn off all the lights and don’t answer the doorbell. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5996 "2018-07-27T22:58:58Z")
So, you got batshit crazy Baptist cousins too? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5997 "2018-07-28T00:49:14Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > [https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1022648375920013312?s=19](https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1022648375920013312?s=19) > > CNN scoop: Michael Cohen “claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton.” @jimsciutto, @carlbernstein live on @ChrisCuomo’s show now [https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-june-2016-meeting-knowledge/index.html](https://t.co/9Cndc2XUTi) > > Ruh-roh. > > **Cohen doesn’t have any documentation or other proof** but he’s apparently willing to attest to this. The rumor I’ve heard is that Cohen can name others, or an other, in the room when “it” occurred, “it” being, perhaps, the calls from Don, Jr. to the infamous blocked number, or, alternatively, in-person discussion between Trump and another person who’d be attending the meeting. Whatever “it” is, Cohen can provide an _additional_ witness to Mueller who can attest that Trump knew about the meeting in advance. (Or so it’s said.) (my emphasis) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5998 "2018-07-28T01:10:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth some idiot: > > Arrived back in Washington last night from a very emotional reopening of a major U.S. Steel plant in Granite City, Illinois, only to be greeted with the ridiculous news that the highly conflicted Robert Mueller and his gang of 13 Angry Democrats obviously cannot find Collusion… Yes, any news that Mueller can’t find collusion certainly is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/5999 "2018-07-28T01:41:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [Well, this is awkward.](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/robert-mueller-trump-jr-picture-dca-airport-745144) I’m mostly shocked that Mueller isn’t wearing a tie. I always imagine him putting on a suit and tie as soon as he gets out of the shower and not even loosening the perfect Windsor knot until he’s ready to go back to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6000 "2018-07-28T03:23:39Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > I’m mostly shocked that Mueller isn’t wearing a tie. I always imagine him putting on a suit and tie as soon as he gets out of the shower and not even loosening the perfect Windsor knot until he’s ready to go back to sleep. A full Windsor is a bit showy for Mueller, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2018, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6001 "2018-07-28T14:36:06Z")
I have been worried for some time now about the personal safety of Mueller, Rosenstein and other key members of the team. Hopefully even Trump isn’t corrupt enough to try to arrange an assassination (and probably too incompetent to pull it off) but Putin would have no such scruples. I could see him suggesting to his best bud Don that he could take care of this investigation thing for him, no problem. Has some spare polonium and nerve poisons in the medicine cabinet he’d be happy to donate. I’m sure this possibility has occurred to others with more expertise in these areas than me, and appropriate safeguards are being taken. But I still worry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=299) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=301)