# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 302
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6022 "2018-07-29T17:22:37Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Could be the four-in-hand. That was the most popular knot at my Catholic high school where we had to wear a tie to school every day. If you just go over, around, and through the knot, that’s a four-in-hand. Half Windsor you go over, around, up through the loop, back around the front, over, up and pull through the knot. I’m sure that makes no sense, so [half-windsor](https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/half-windsor) vs [four-in-hand](https://www.ties.com/how-to-tie-a-tie/four-in-hand). I followed those links to see what the big-ass knot that we used in my catholic high school was called. They just send me to [ties.com](http://ties.com) home page. Via “[go.redirectingat.com](http://go.redirectingat.com)”. Is that what replaced whatever SDMB used to use? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6023 "2018-07-29T18:22:11Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Unless Dershowitz knows that Avenatti was chatting about the subject of Cohen’s representation - and not, for example, the tiramisu - then Dershowitz is talking out his ass (and he’s way too good a lawyer not to know it). Dershowitz does a lot of ass ventriloquism. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6024 "2018-07-29T19:31:09Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > After the Helsinki summit, Trump was all excited about his new best friend Vlad and had to make up excuses when Vlad said “Don’t call me, I will call you… cyka.” So now that Vlad has declined having a sleepover at Donnie’s place, Trump has simply gone ahead and [invited himself to Moscow](http://time.com/5351307/trump-moscow-visit-putin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29). Perhaps Trump wants to go to Moscow, and STAY THERE. Though at this point I’m not sure who wants to fry his ass most. If he doesn’t get things done for Russia, he’s gonna be in trouble. I he stays in the US, well he would still get to live (Unless Russia gets him over here. Be careful of rainy days and umbrellas.) I think he’s pretty much fucked either way. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6025 "2018-07-29T20:47:45Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I think he’s pretty much fucked either way. 🙂 That would be so damn wonderful. But first, financially wiped out and publicly/completely humiliated. So bad he can never recover. SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6026 "2018-07-29T20:50:40Z")
Donnie, Donnie… take a pill or something. :rolleyes: [Trump decries Mueller probe as an ‘illegal Scam’](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399423-trump-decries-mueller-probe-as-an-illegal-scam) Would that be as opposed to a 'legal Scam," [note capitalization of “Scam”] i.e., the kind you are so good at? > [@](#): > > President Trump asserted on Sunday that the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between his presidential campaign and Russia is “illegal” because it was ignited by a “fraudulent” opposition research dossier. > > In a tweet, Trump repeated his frequent claim that the probe is a “Witch Hunt,” and that special counsel Robert Mueller’s team of investigators is made up of a number of political opponents intent on undermining his presidency. > > “There is No Collusion!” Trump tweeted. “The Robert Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt, headed now by 17 (increased from 13, including an Obama White House lawyer) Angry Democrats, was started by a fraudulent Dossier, paid for by Crooked Hillary and the DNC. Therefore, the Witch Hunt is an illegal Scam!” > … Blah, blah blah. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6027 "2018-07-29T20:59:14Z")
Gosh, I wonder when he’ll be sitting for his interview with the Mueller team? Now the Kochs have abandoned him and are funding the opposition, as well as likely encouraging McConnell to think about impeachment after the mid-terms, he probably figures his only chance is to rally his base. No matter how many additional counts of obstruction it may bring. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6028 "2018-07-29T21:28:45Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Well, he sure isn’t as lazy as I am: get a perfect Windsor once, then pull the tie off over your head… and keep it hanging in the closet for six months til the next wedding/funeral you need to choke yourself for. I’ve been doing this since my dad, who tied two for me, died around twenty years ago when I was in high school. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6029 "2018-07-29T22:01:23Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Well, he sure isn’t as lazy as I am: get a perfect Windsor once, then pull the tie off over your head… and keep it hanging in the closet for six months til the next wedding/funeral you need to choke yourself for. Word of advice: do not loan your perfect-knotted tie to your son to wear to a wedding. It will come back untied and reeking of beer. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6030 "2018-07-29T22:12:07Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That would be so damn wonderful. But first, financially wiped out and publicly/completely humiliated. So bad he can never recover. > > SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Are you suggesting that Trump walk naked through the streets, accompanied by a nun ringing a bell and saying “shame!”? I’m all for pelting him with garbage but I’m willing to grant clemency on the naked part. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6031 "2018-07-29T22:30:48Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Are you suggesting that Trump walk naked through the streets, accompanied by a nun ringing a bell and saying “shame!”? I’m all for pelting him with garbage but I’m willing to grant clemency on the naked part. Eh, a loincloth would be fine. I can do without seeing his 72-year-old junk, thanks very much. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6032 "2018-07-29T22:43:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Who’s right? Would Avenatti’s defense be that the conversation was about an unrelated subject? Or is Avenatti, self-appointed candidate for American hero, just another ignoramus or slimeball? I don’t know who’s right, but if Avenatti runs for President on this, I will personally not be voting for him. We all like him as the guy loud enough and narcissistic enough to go toe to toe with Trump, but neither of those things is actually an indication of being a particularly good person. To be fair, it sounds like he has won a bunch of court cases, so he’s probably not an idiot, but I wouldn’t bet that his ethics are unimpeachable for a boyscout. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6033 "2018-07-30T02:07:56Z")
I don’t care for Avenatti, who’s a blatant showboat. He’s just trying to make a name for himself. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6034 "2018-07-30T02:22:00Z")
Of course he’s just trying to make a name for himself. But if he happens to do some good in the process, hey, great. Better than making a name for himself by running the greatest country in the world into the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6035 "2018-07-30T03:11:55Z")
Can somebody explain to me what “nasty & contentious business relationship” Mueller and Trump had? > ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6036 "2018-07-30T03:20:50Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Can somebody explain to me what “nasty & contentious business relationship” Mueller and Trump had? > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1023662510371741696](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1023662510371741696) My cross-post from the Butt Hurt thread: \*Oh, it’s old, stupid news. Apparently there was a fee dispute between Mueller and one of Trump’s golf courses years ago. Mueller simply dropped his membership. Also, Mueller left employment from the law firm that represents Jared Kushner to take the job as Special Counsel. Obviously Kushner’s lawyer is a different lawyer in that firm than Mueller. Lastly, Trump claims that Mueller was butt hurt because Trump interviewed Mueller for the FBI position to replace Comey and was disappointed when he wasn’t picked. What Trump never mentions is that Mueller only interviewed for the job at Trump’s invitation. He was not actively seeking the Director’s job again after having held it for 12 years. Mueller ran all these concerns past the DOJ ethics folks before accepting his position. According to DOJ, none of the issues rose to the level of being an actual conflict of interest. Trump’s legal team could also ask a judge for a formal legal determination of conflict of interest. You’ll notice they’ve never done that. This is all about sowing doubt about the integrity of Mueller’s investigation, and nothing else. \* ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6037 "2018-07-30T03:21:05Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6038 "2018-07-30T03:21:45Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6039 "2018-07-30T03:57:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Of course he’s just trying to make a name for himself. But if he happens to do some good in the process, hey, great. Better than making a name for himself by running the greatest country in the world into the ground. The problem is that showboat Avenatti is now beginning to cross lanes with Mueller, who’s trying to keep a low profile and just present the facts - that’s a far more effective strategy. In a way, Avenatti’s ‘show’ threatens to overshadow and even potentially discredit Mueller in the eyes of the public. I think Avenatti could harm more than help ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6040 "2018-07-30T04:11:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The problem is that showboat Avenatti is now beginning to cross lanes with Mueller, who’s trying to keep a low profile and just present the facts - that’s a far more effective strategy. In a way, Avenatti’s ‘show’ threatens to overshadow and even potentially discredit Mueller in the eyes of the public. I think Avenatti could harm more than help I don’t know. I sometimes think a show is the only way to get through to some people. If it’s not a spectacle they don’t watch. And if it wasn’t Avenatti, some of the true believers would just find some other reason to discredit Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6041 "2018-07-30T10:18:50Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I don’t know. I sometimes think a show is the only way to get through to some people. If it’s not a spectacle they don’t watch. And if it wasn’t Avenatti, some of the true believers would just find some other reason to discredit Mueller. It’s not the true believers I worry about; it’s people who are basically good but either only half-ass care or are just plain gullible. Mueller’s relentless pursuit of truth and justice, and maintaining the appearance of neutrality, are going to be far better tools. No, the true believers won’t believe, but they were never going to. They don’t matter. It’s everyone else in the audience. Showman lawyers like Avenatti and showman journalists Michael Wolff makes every Trump critic just a little less credible, because everyone can see that they’re just trying to get their own airtime. To some extent, you could even say this of James Comey with his book tour. The more that people assume that Trump’s critics are just seeking attention, the less credible they become. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=301) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=303)