# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6142 "2018-08-02T03:43:19Z")

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Manafort’s personal style is pretty much crap.

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**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6143 "2018-08-02T08:53:33Z")

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A $13,000 Members Only jacket. Go figure.

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**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6144 "2018-08-02T10:12:25Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> Why are people saying “when Manafort is acquitted?” I think there’ll be a revolving door at the end of the jury box and they’ll be back with a guilty verdict before the judge leaves the bench.

If not acquitted, then pardoned. Are there any non-Federal charges pending?

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6145 "2018-08-02T12:06:44Z")

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> [@septimus](#):
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> If not acquitted, then pardoned. Are there any non-Federal charges pending?

I can’t say if there are any state charges, it seems to me that if he evaded federal taxes then he must also have evaded state taxes as well. So even acquittal/pardon wouldn’t keep him out of the woods.

Suppose he gets pardoned. Now you’ve got a witness who can’t plead the fifth. Doesn’t seem like a good play for Donald.

About that ostrich jacket- I want to know if he has a leopard-skin pillbox hat to go with it. Seems to me it would suit his style.

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**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6146 "2018-08-02T12:15:44Z")

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> [@Jack\_Batty](#):
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> A $13,000 Members Only jacket. Go figure.

😃

The ostrich jacket is hogging all the attention but I think the python one is tackier. And it was 18K, making the ostrich one look cheap. But I guess sometimes you feel like a bird and sometimes you feel like a snake.

> **[Here's The $15k Ostrich Jacket Paul Manafort Bought](https://www.newsweek.com/python-ostrich-and-wardrobe-paul-manaforts-luxury-clothes-revealed-1053741)**
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> The former Trump campiagn manager spent more than $1 million on clothes over four years, the court heard.

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**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6147 "2018-08-02T13:43:52Z")

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> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#):
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> 😃
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> The ostrich jacket is hogging all the attention but I think the python one is tackier. And it was 18K, making the ostrich one look cheap. But I guess sometimes you feel like a bird and sometimes you feel like a snake.
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> [The Python, The Ostrich, And The Wardrobe: Paul Manafort's Luxury Clothes Revealed](https://www.newsweek.com/python-ostrich-and-wardrobe-paul-manaforts-luxury-clothes-revealed-1053741)

That link says the ostrich coat was _custom-made_. And yet it looks like something you’d get off the TJ Maxx clearance rack.

The three-quarter sleeves on the python number really aren’t working for me.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6148 "2018-08-02T14:14:17Z")

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> [@romansperson](#):
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> …The three-quarter sleeves on the python number really aren’t working for me.

Fine! :mad:

_\<cancels order for **romansperson’s** Christmas present\>_

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**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6149 "2018-08-02T14:16:04Z")

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I see he didn’t get the custom “I REALLY DON’T CARE DO U?” print.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6150 "2018-08-02T14:22:30Z")

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“Mueller offers to limit investigators’ questions for Trump in special counsel’s latest effort to secure presidential interview”

> **[Mueller offers to limit investigators’ questions for Trump in special...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-offers-to-limit-investigators-questions-for-trump-in-special-counsels-latest-effort-to-secure-presidential-interview/2018/08/01/239bfea0-95cc-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html)**
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> The proposal comes as Trump steps up his attacks on the investigation.

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> Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III indicated this week that he is willing to reduce the number of questions his investigators would pose to President Trump in an interview, renewing negotiations with Trump’s lawyers about a presidential sit-down after an extended standoff, according to two people briefed on the negotiations.
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> The latest proposal by the special counsel comes as Trump has stepped up his attacks on his investigation and Mueller personally.  
> …

Frankly, this sounds like a good idea to me. No matter how limited the questions, once thump starts talking, he won’t be able to shut his yap. And he will certainly ignore any coaching from his only-slightly-smarter advisors. I like it.

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**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6151 "2018-08-02T14:27:59Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> “Mueller offers to limit investigators’ questions for Trump in special counsel’s latest effort to secure presidential interview”  
> [https://wapo.st/2Me7Ovb](https://wapo.st/2Me7Ovb)  
> Frankly, this sounds like a good idea to me. No matter how limited the questions, once thump starts talking, he won’t be able to shut his yap. And he will certainly ignore any coaching from his only-slightly-smarter advisors. I like it.

Yup. Trump is guaranteed to say something stupid and incriminating.

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**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6152 "2018-08-02T14:29:53Z")

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> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#):
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> 😃
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> The ostrich jacket is hogging all the attention but I think the python one is tackier. And it was 18K, making the ostrich one look cheap. **But I guess sometimes you feel like a bird and sometimes you feel like a snake.**
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> [The Python, The Ostrich, And The Wardrobe: Paul Manafort's Luxury Clothes Revealed](https://www.newsweek.com/python-ostrich-and-wardrobe-paul-manaforts-luxury-clothes-revealed-1053741)

Reminds me of the best line I’ve heard lately: “I don’t know what Trump’s spirit animal is, but I’m sure it has rabies.”

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**Author:** ![Project\_Patahhh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@Project\_Patahhh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Project_Patahhh)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6153 "2018-08-02T14:39:38Z")

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I’m going to be honest, I actually kind of like the python jacket. I’d wear it. Ostrich one looks like hell though…

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**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6154 "2018-08-02T14:42:25Z")

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> [@Aspenglow](#):
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> Reminds me of the best line I’ve heard lately: “I don’t know what Trump’s spirit animal is, but I’m sure it has rabies.”

That’s fantastic! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6155 "2018-08-02T14:47:02Z")

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> [@romansperson](#):
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> The three-quarter sleeves on the python number really aren’t working for me.

The very idea of a three-quarter sleeved jacket is kind of perplexing to me. “It’s a bit chilly today. Better put on a jacket. But it’s not so chilly that I need to cover my forearms. Hmm…”

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6156 "2018-08-02T15:45:15Z")

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> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#):
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> Yup. Trump is guaranteed to say something stupid and incriminating.

You could ask him what his favorite color is and he’d say something stupid.

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**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6157 "2018-08-02T16:15:41Z")

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> [@enipla](#):
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> You could ask him what his favorite color is and he’d say something stupid.

Blue, no yellow. AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa…

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6158 "2018-08-02T16:16:08Z")

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> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#):
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> The very idea of a three-quarter sleeved jacket is kind of perplexing to me. “It’s a bit chilly today. Better put on a jacket. But it’s not so chilly that I need to cover my forearms. Hmm…”

Think how much it would cost with full sleeves.

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6159 "2018-08-02T16:58:54Z")

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> [@enipla](#):
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> You could ask him what his favorite color is and he’d say something stupid.

It’s probably a shade of green, either [dollar bill](https://www.colorhexa.com/85bb65) or [Russian](https://www.colorhexa.com/679267).

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6160 "2018-08-02T17:42:58Z")

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> [@Skywatcher](#):
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> It’s probably a shade of green, either [dollar bill](https://www.colorhexa.com/85bb65) or [Russian](https://www.colorhexa.com/679267).

No, I suppose he would say “plaid”

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/6161 "2018-08-02T18:06:45Z")

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> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#):
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> The very idea of a three-quarter sleeved jacket is kind of perplexing to me. “It’s a bit chilly today. Better put on a jacket. But it’s not so chilly that I need to cover my forearms. Hmm…”

Sun’s half out, guns half out.

The amazing thing to me is that he found a way to spend nearly a million dollars just on suits in just ten years. That’s quite some fetish.

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