# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/621 "2017-11-07T22:32:49Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I noted this earlier. > > But one thing to consider is that Page, by his own testimony, is not a rich guy and doesn’t have much income and has been mostly living off savings over the past decade. The legal bills for people caught up in this investigation are easily 6 or even 7 figures and no one is going to reimburse that, no matter how innocent you may be. I can see where a guy who is absolutely convinced of his innocence might decide that if he hires a lawyer he will definitely be ruined, while if he goes it alone he at least has a shot. There’s no one who donated megabucks to the campaign that wouldn’t throw a few thou Page’s way to pay for an attorney for a couple of days? ETA Or there are no Tumpista lawyers who wouldn’t take him on pro bono? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/622 "2017-11-07T22:55:52Z")
Someone tried, but Grabby McGrabbyfingers thought he was offering to throw a few thousand pages his way. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/623 "2017-11-07T22:56:22Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > There’s no one who donated megabucks to the campaign that wouldn’t throw a few thou Page’s way to pay for an attorney for a couple of days? > > ETA Or there are no Tumpista lawyers who wouldn’t take him on pro bono? I think we’re getting to the “every man [sic] for himself” stage. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/624 "2017-11-07T23:21:21Z")
A guy under oath claims the Trump campaign and Kremlin had multiple meetings and that the AG committed perjury, and there’s someone saying there’s nothing there. Yeah, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/625 "2017-11-07T23:56:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I think we’re getting to the “every man [sic] for himself” stage. Yes. [Yes, we are.](http://www.businessinsider.com/jd-gordon-carter-page-trump-russia-moscow-trip-2017-11) \* J.D. Gordon, then the director of the campaign’s National Security Advisory Committee, told Business Insider that then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski approved Page’s request to travel to Moscow last July. “I discouraged Carter from taking the trip to Moscow in the first place because it was a bad idea,” Gordon said. “Since I refused to forward his speech request form for approval, he eventually went around me directly to campaign leadership.” \* ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/626 "2017-11-07T23:58:24Z")
Geez, the incoherent language that guy babbles. You’d think it was Trump Hisself holding forth. He serves up everyone’s Daily Recommended Diet of word salad. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/627 "2017-11-08T00:28:03Z")
“Well you see, because I — in that I mean — now look. When I say I talked — and now I want to be very careful here — when I say “talked” here, what I really want to be clear is — “talked” means — now before I define what it is I mean about defining “talked” is that I want to be sure this committee understands that I get that they want to understand context — and by context, I mean in which the words I use today will be understood in a way that makes me not appear — okay, now, what I really want to say is that I maybe I talked with a Russian — but it was very brief and — now what I mean about “brief” is under 30 minutes — but this committee might misconstrue the time as being more that what it might appear in that —” _IC collectively shoots their brains out_ ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/628 "2017-11-08T00:39:10Z")
Hey! That isn’t a _genuine_ transcript! You got to get up pretty early in the afternoon to fool me! ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/629 "2017-11-08T00:40:43Z")
Kinda reminds me of Jerry from _Fargo._ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/630 "2017-11-08T00:46:02Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Kinda reminds me of Jerry from _Fargo._ LOL, excellent comparison. How long till he slides out the back door and makes a run for it, d’ya think? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/631 "2017-11-08T00:54:39Z")
Cantchya see?! _I’m cooperating!!_ [Runs for Canadian border] ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/632 "2017-11-08T01:07:02Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > LOL, excellent comparison. How long till he slides out the back door and makes a run for it, d’ya think? You betcha! ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/633 "2017-11-08T01:18:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey! That isn’t a _genuine_ transcript! You got to get up pretty early in the afternoon to fool me! Seth Meyers nailed it last night on Trump’ s fumbling a softball question during an interview: “In the span of 20 seconds, Trump’s defense went from ‘there is no collusion’ to ‘i’m not involved in any collusion’ to ‘i’m not under investigation’ to ‘you got the wrong guy.’ If Trump were ever called in for questioning, he’d crack immediately. ‘Where were you on the night of the 14th?’ ‘Certainly not robbing a bank, but I bet Hillary was!'” [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCazyPcsv8s) Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/634 "2017-11-08T01:37:14Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Cantchya see?! _I’m cooperating!!_ > > [Runs for Canadian border] > [@JohnT](#): > > You betcha! You two are killing me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/635 "2017-11-08T01:57:29Z")
Soon you will be feeling chipper. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/636 "2017-11-08T02:01:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Soon you will be feeling chipper. True… it’s been a real grind of a year. But I’ll go out on a limb and say things are looking up. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/637 "2017-11-08T03:37:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > LOL, excellent comparison. How long till he slides out the back door and makes a run for it, d’ya think? He’s fleeing the interview! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/638 "2017-11-08T04:56:06Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Yes, he might be making a mistake. I was just suggesting what his reasoning might be. > > But beyond that, I don’t know if what you suggest is possible. > > If there’s a case which is far ranging and complex enough such that a quality defense requires enough hours and resources so as to cost 6 figures. You walk into a lawyer and say “I can’t afford that much money, but spend a few hours here and there to make sure I don’t go completely off the rails”. Is the lawyer allowed to take the case on those conditions? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a violation of legal ethics, since the lawyer would be contracting to do a sub-par job. Increasingly, Bar Associations and Law Societies are allowing limited retainers for just this reason. If a person had some money, but not enough for a full defence, it’s better that he get _some_ legal advice rather than none. A limited retainer has to be carefully drawn, but they are permitted in many jurisdictions ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/639 "2017-11-08T05:13:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Increasingly, Bar Associations and Law Societies are allowing limited retainers for just this reason. If a person had some money, but not enough for a full defence, it’s better that he get _some_ legal advice rather than none. > > A limited retainer has to be carefully drawn, but they are permitted in many jurisdictions “For $100, I will gladly go court and attest to the judge that you are a fucking moron.” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2017, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/640 "2017-11-08T07:57:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Eskewers”. If you “S” is askew, they will straighten it. ["Stop quoting your dad’s divorce lawyer commercials.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zosqIw1D27o)" [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=33)